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Total Drama Island: Your Way: 1st Half

2020.09.13 11:54 Picochu_ Total Drama Island: Your Way: 1st Half

Cast:
Killer Bass: Bridgette, Courtney, DJ, Duncan, Eva, Ezekiel, Geoff, Harold, Katie, Sadie, Tyler
Screaming Gophers: Beth, Cody, Gwen, Heather, Izzy, Justin, Leshawna, Lindsay, Noah, Owen, Trent
Episodes 1 & 2: Not So Happy Campers Parts 1 & 2
So, I really like those tier list games, so I decided to make one that would redo Island how you´d like it :)
There will be reward challenges, but you´ll only know if something was a reward challenge after the vote, like in World Tour. Also, I wrote down which episodes will be reward challenges for myself, so I can´t just choose to make it a reward challenge every time my faves are in danger
As for plot, nothing really changes, Ezekiel still makes his sexist comments, and all that
Also, just to mention something: There is a McLean Head, like in ROTI and AS
Sadie was eliminated because her team found her and Katie annoying, but Katie might be more useful in physical challenges.
Episode 3: The Big Sleep
-Owen, Izzy and Noah try to form a plan to stay awake, but it leads to all of them falling asleep
-Geoff plays some party games with Leshawna and Bridgette to help them stay awake, but Bridgette gets so worn out from them that she falls asleep
-Lindsay flirts with Tyler, but then he falls asleep
-Tyler has a nightmare in which Katie is mauled by a bear, over which the two bond, but during their conversation, both of them fall asleep
-DJ explains to Ezekiel how sexist his comments really were
-Courtney is mad at her team because they left Ezekiel in the game, even though he made sexist comments
-Like in canon, DJ falls asleep while tied to a tree and Courtney falls asleep after walking a lot
-Heather still forms the alliance with Lindsay and Beth, but since the McLean exists, it´s also an alliance to find the McLean Head
-Heather steals Eva´s MP3-Player
-Trent and Gwen bond while trying to stay awake together
-Lindsay, Beth, Harold and Ezekiel fall asleep
-Duncan makes Harold pee himself while he sleeps
-Geoff and Leshawna fall asleep during one of their party games
-Justin still tries to cheat, but fails like in canon
-After Cody falls asleep, Noah kisses Cody on the ear while sleeping, which freaks Cody out
-Heather, Eva and Trent fall asleep due to Canadian History
-After Trent falls asleep, Gwen and Duncan bond a bit, too
-But in the end, Gwen wins the challenge for the Screaming Gophers
Katie was eliminated because her team only thinks of her as Sadie´s annoying friend, and most of them didn´t bond with her at all. But before she goes, she gives a motivational speech to Tyler, like she did to Sadie in canon.
Episode 4: Dodgebrawl
-Harold snores, causing Duncan to be extremely sleep-deprived
-Courtney leads her team during the game, but is very aggressive because they lost every challenge up until that point
-Noah refuses to participate in the dodgeball challenge, and is just a dick overall during the episode
-During the game, Lindsay and Tyler run off to hang out, and Heather yells at Lindsay for dating a Bass
-Cody and Owen unexpectantly win the first two rounds for the Gophers, so the Bass wake up Duncan
-Duncan tells them his strategy and they win the next two rounds
-After being hit, Justin runs off, screaming about how hideous he now is
-Eva throws one of the balls way too hard, knocking Trent out completely
-Izzy tries to throw rocks at the other team to distract them, but unsurprisingly, Eva throws one of her balls at her, too, knocking her out as well, disqualifying Eva
-Geoff tries to flirt with Bridgette, which distracts them and causes them both to be beaten easily during the game, upsetting Courtney deeply
-When DJ isn´t on the court, he tries to explain to Ezekiel why his views on women are so bad, succeeding at it
-Gwen falls asleep in the middle of the court, so Leshawna puts her on the bleachers
-Beth notices how rude Heather is acting
-In the end, Harold wins the last round for the Killer Bass
-Beth was eliminated because Heather realized that Beth realized how mean Heather is, so she convinced the other Gophers to vote her off
Episode 5: Not Quite Famous
-Courtney, DJ and Geoff plan to perform for the Killer Bass
-Heather, Justin and Trent plan to perform for the Screaming Gophers
-Cody awkwardly flirts with Gwen
-Before Courtney can perform, Bridgette accidentally breaks her violin like in canon, so she throws up on the audience again
-Lindsay and Tyler become an official couple after Bridgette pukes on him, which upsets Heather
-Heather and Lindsay steal Gwen´s diary, and Heather reads it to the audience like in canon
-Ezekiel makes a homophobic comment, so Eva punches him
-Izzy, Noah and Owen decide to form the E-Scope Alliance
-DJ trips over his ribbon and fails miserably
-Justin models like in canon, causing Leshawna to faint and be put into the infirmary with Ezekiel
-Leshawna and Ezekiel bond in the infirmary
-Geoff accidentally breaks his skateboard, so the Killer Bass get to wait for their last turn a bit longer to decide who goes
-Trent sings his song to cheer Gwen up after Heather read her diary
-Duncan isn´t able to finish his wood carving of Chris´ head in time, so Harold goes out there and beatboxes for his life
-Harold scores another victory for the Killer Bass
-Leshawna was eliminated because she slapped Heather after Heather had been provoking her, and Heather framed it as though Leshawna was just incredibly violent, and because she bonded with the enemy
Episode 6: The Sucky Outdoors
-Heather leads her team through the forest, while Courtney leads the Bass
-Owen lies to everyone about having killed a bear, and Izzy begins to really like him because she thinks he killed something
-Trent and Gwen bond during the walk through the forest, making Cody jealous
-Owen shows Izzy his butt after catching fish, both of which she likes
-Geoff compliments Bridgette by saying she pitches a tent like a guy, upsetting her
-Duncan asks Courtney where the food is, but she ignores him
-DJ finds his pet bunny, Bunny
-Izzy dresses up as a bear and scares the Gophers, which causes Cody to pee himself
-Noah makes fun of Cody for peeing himself
-Duncan tells the other Bass a scary story
-Bridgette trips while going to pee and accidentally destroys the Bass´ tent
-Tyler and Ezekiel bond over their love of footbal tv games, and Tyler tries to teach Ezekiel to not be homophobic
-Eva and Duncan bond over bullying Harold
-Justin refuses to do anything due to being scared that his good looks will be ruined, and instead manipulates Lindsay into doing everything for him
-Izzy reveals her funny prank, but then, a real bear shows up
-The next morning, the two teams run to make it back to camp, and while it is a close finish, the Bass end up crossing the finish line first, winning immunity
-Owen is eliminated because he and Izzy attracted the bear, but at least Izzy doesn´t stink as much, but he gets a hug from everyone before leaving
Episode 7: Phobia Factor
-The Killer Bass join the Screaming Gophers at the campfire, and everyone begins talking about their fears
-After Cody offers Courtney some green jelly he got from the kitchen, Courtney panics and DJ throws the plate away, thinking the gummi worm inside the jelly was a snake
-Everyone except Courtney then share their fears
-The next morning, it is revealed that the campers will have to face challenges based on their fears to win
-Lindsay has to keep a horrible-looking wig on for the whole day, and succeeds in doing so, scoring 1 point for the Gophers
-Izzy has to stay on a horribly built plane for the duration of a flight, which she manages to do, scoring a second point for the Gophers
-The ninjas surprise Harold in the bathroom, and while he tries to defend himself, he accidentally knocks himself out, but since he still faced the ninjas, he scores a point for the Bass
-Heather has to face a sumo wrestler, but is too scared to do so
-Bridgette goes into the woods for her challenge, and has to stay there alone for 6 hours to win
-Trent supports Gwen while she is being buried alive, but when a mime shows up, he runs away, leaving her all alone
-Courtney yells at DJ when he´s too scared to touch the snake, but with Geoff´s support, he´s able to touch the snake and score a second point for the Bass
-Cody has to defuse a time bomb under pressure, and while he fail to do so, he didn´t run away, so he still scores a third point for the Gophers
-Courtney encourages Duncan to face his fear of Celine Dion music store standees, and he manages to hug it, scoring a third point for the Bass
-Trent jumps into the water to escape from the mime, and since he ran away, he scores no point
-Geoff has a hail cloud over his head and runs into the woods, screaming
-In the woods, he runs into Bridgette, and while they both fail to complete their challenges, they´re just happy to be with each other
-Gwen is finally taken out of the coffin, but she ignores Trent since he abandoned her, scoring a fourth point for the Gophers
-Tyler is placed in the chicken pen, and while he doesn´t touch the chicken, he doesn´t leave the chicken pen either, so he scores a fourth point for the Bass
-Courtney fails to jump into the green jelly pool, scoring no point
-Eva has to pet a squirrel in order to win, but she is too scared to do so
-Ezekiel has to swim in a pool of red liquid (blood) in order to score the point, but only vomits instead
-Noah has to stay in a balloon full of Owen´s farts for an hour in order to score a point, but fails to do so
-Justin needs to participate in a boxing match to score a point, and while he initially refuses, he then realizes that if he doesn´t do it, he´s gonna get voted off next, so he faces his fear and scores a fifth point for the Gophers
-So the Screaming Gophers win once again
-Ezekiel is eliminated because Courtney convinced the Bass that his insensitive comments and incompetence in most challenges will only hurt their team
-After the elimination, Courtney is delighted that Ezekiel´s finally gone
Episode 8: Up the Creek
-After Chris explains the challenge, everyone teams up for the canoes
-Cody and Gwen, Lindsay and Trent, Heather and Noah, and Justin and Izzy canoe together for the Gophers
-Bridgette and Courtney, DJ and Geoff, Duncan and Harold, and Eva and Tyler canoe together for the Bass
-Geoff tries to calm DJ, who is scared of the water, but fails miserably, only scaring him more
-Bridgette and Courtney cringe while talking about the present Geoff made for her, while DJ also cringes after Geoff tells him about it
-Cody asks out Gwen quite a few times, and only stops when she hits him in the groin with her paddle
-Cody then realizes that Gwen is in love with Trent and decides to canoe back to camp with Lindsay to have the two of them together
-Heather gets Noah to join her alliance, not realizing that he knows that she´s trying to manipulate him
-Izzy and Justin, who had dated at one point, are just ignoring each other in their canoe, until Izzy decides to push him out of the canoe, leaving him to swim to Boney Island
-Duncan puts Harold in a chokehold for most of the ride just because he thinks it´s fun
-Tyler and Eva bond over their beliefs about sportsmanship
-On Boney Island, Cody saves the Gophers from being eaten alive by throwing bread at the birds chasing them
-Trent and Lindsay fall into quicksand, so Cody tries to save them by swining on a vine, but he fails
-Luckily, Trent is able to pull Lindsay and him up with the vine
-Geoff gets a splinter in his leg, which paralyzes him for the rest of the challenge
-While the Gophers and Bass try to make a fire, Heather finds a tiki doll in one of the bushes and gives it to Eva as a sign of sportsmanship
-Eva, not realizing that it is cursed, accepts the tiki doll
-Duncan uses his lighter to light the fire, but Harold throws in their canoes´ puddles in there, too
-However, Izzy makes the largest fire, and the teams are allowed to leave Boney Island
-When wondering what they should do now, Izzy tells the Bass that they could just push their canoes
-Meanwhile, Justin has finally managed to get on Boney Island
-Cody and Trent switch canoe partner, which upsets Gwen, since she doesn´t want to be around Trent after he left her buried alive
-DJ pushes the Bass´ canoes, and while they do almost cross the finish line first, right before the finish line, DJ is eaten by a shark and the Gophers win
-DJ is able to be saved, but he is heavily bandaged and in a wheelchair now
-Bridgette later finds Geoff´s present to be broken, and even though Courtney tells her to throw it away, she decides to repair it
-Eva puts the doll in front of the Bass´ cabin as a sort of mascot
-Courtney was eliminated not for being a C.I.T., but for being a B.I.T.C.-
-Courtney then decides to threaten to sue the show, but fails, and still has to go
Episode 9: Paintball Deer Hunter
-Lindsay warms up the shower for Heather after she commands her to do so
-Bass hunters are Harold, Bridgette and Geoff, while Bass deer are DJ, Duncan, Eva and Tyler
-Gophers hunters are Lindsay, Justin, Noah and Izzy, while Gopher deer are Cody, Gwen, Heather and Trent
-Trent asks Gwen if she wants to go with him, but she refuses, still having a grudge against him
-Cody seems to be very excited to be a deer
-Heather states that she will just make Noah and Lindsay protect her
-Bridgette is upset about being a hunter, so Geoff cheers her up by telling her that Heather is a deer
-Once Noah and Lindsay walk into Heather, she commands Noah to get berries for her, and commands Lindsay to go get a bag of chips for her
-Izzy runs into DJ, who is eating grass, but then she starts to yell and chase him, so he rolls away in his wheelchair
-Lindsay gets the chips, but walks into Cody right after that
-Cody and Lindsay talk about Heather, and she decides that she doesn´t want to be Heather´s friend anymore
-Lindsay and Cody then return to Heather, but she only yells at them because Lindsay got the wrong flavour, but Lindsay refuses to get a new bag
-Izzy manages to shoot DJ and Duncan just by blind luck
-Heather tells Lindsay she can get back in the Alliance if she takes back the n-word, but Lindsay refuses
-Justin decides to check out why Lindsay is screaming, but when he gets near Heather, he accidentally shoots her
-Lindsay then also shoots her
-Harold then shoots Heather, too
-Cody runs off with the leftover chips, but then walks into a bear and gets attacked by it
-Heather takes Noah´s gun, and Justin, Lindsay and herself all shoot at each other
-Eva and Tyler walk into the fight, and get accidentally shoot the two, making Eva so upset that she rips a tree out of the ground and throws it off the island, scaring everyone near her
-Since all the Bass were shot, the Screaming Gophers win
-Eva then kicks the tiki doll out of anger
-On a completely unrelated note, lightning suddenly sha-strikes the Bass cabin, almost completely destroying it, and Tyler breaks his leg while walking down the stairs
-DJ is eliminated due to him needing to go to the hospital because of his very serious injuries
Episode 10: If You Can´t Take the Heat...
-Duncan finds Harold´s dirty underwear on the ground while doing push-ups, but Harold refuses to admit that they´re his
-Geoff and Heather become Head Chef for their respective teams
-Geoff goes to the cabin to steal almost all of Harold´s underwear, and after that, Duncan pours water on Harold´s pants, so Harold has to wear a tight thong
-Gwen and Heather fight over what to cook
-Eva goes to get some ingredients, and while she is attacked by bees, she just does not care
-Geoff tries to flirt with Bridgette, but he fails miserably
-When Eva throws the ingredients to Tyler, she accidentally knocks him out, making him unable to be useful
-Harold goes to get new underwear and shorts, but Duncan put hot sauce in them, so Harold jumps into the lake to cool off
-Heather lights the flambé and burns her eyebrows off
-Harold eats underwear sandwhiches made by Geoff
-Cody, Noah and Trent are assigned to one of the parts, but Cody still refuses to takl to Noah
-Heather sends Noah to get her make up bag, but when he returns, Gwen steals it from him and throws it to Lindsay
-Heather demands for Lindsay to give her the bag, but Lindsay throws it into the freezer instead, after which Gwen locks Heather inside
-Eva puts the tiki doll on the table as a good luck charm
-While Chris eats the meal, Justin lets Heather out of the freezer and he joins her alliance
-The Screaming Gophers win, and the truth about the tiki doll is revealed
-Eva, who is greatly angered by this, decides to throw Heather into the confessional out of anger, and then locks her in for the night
-After Duncan and Geoff steal all his clothes, Harold finally admits that it was his underwear all along
-Eva is eliminated because she cursed her team with the tiki doll, which caused DJ to almost die and Tyler to break his leg, but when she leaves, she throws a sharp stick at Bridgette´s face, which Bridgette is able to dodge
Episode 11: Who Can You Trust?
-Heather yells at Lindsay and Gwen for locking her in the freezer
-Duncan steals a mug, which Tyler scolds him for, so Duncan kicks Tyler´s broken leg
-In the first part of the challenge, Heather holds up Gwen while she climbs, and Tyler holds up Duncan while he climbs
-Heather rips off Gwen´s skirt, but Tyler is loyal to Lindsay, so while Gwen is distracted, Duncan is able to win for the Bass
-Bridgette makes the blowfish for Geoff, and succeeds, but Lindsay accidentally poisons Trent with the blowfish, sending him to the infirmary, and scoring another win for the Bass
-Geoff and Bridgette go swimming together during a break for the challenge, and while in the water, they kiss
-Geoff has to shoot crab apples to knock an arrow off of Harold´s head for the Bass, while Cody has to knock an arrow off of Izzy´s head for the Gophers, Cody ends up winning and scores a point for the Gophers, while Harold has to go to the infirmary because he has a concussion
-During the trapeze part, Duncan has to catch Geoff, and Noah has to catch Heather, but Duncan thought it´d be a funny prank to let Geoff fall in the jellyfish water, while Noah actually manages to catch Heather, scoring another win for the Gophers and sending Geoff to the infirmary
-In the race, Lindsay has to drive and Justin has to yell directions for the Gophers, while Duncan has to drive and Tyler has to yell directions for the Bass
-Justin tries to distract the Gophers with his hot bod, but Tyler doesn´t look and just continues to try to win, but Lindsay, hearing Justin take off his shirt, takes a peek
-Lindsay and Justin come in first, but since Lindsay took her blindfold off to look at Justin´s abs, the Killer Bass win
-Noah convinces Lindsay and Gwen to get in an alliance with him to vote off Heather, to which the two agree
-Lindsay is eliminated because she lost the challenge for her team, but when Heather teases her about it, Lindsay curses her out for being so mean
-Before Lindsay goes aboard the Boat of Losers, she shares a kiss with Tyler
Episode 12: Basic Straining
-Duncan and Geoff make s´mores out of Harold´s dirty underwear, which deeply upsets him
-Geoff uses a fishing line to rip off Harold´s underwear during the canoe part of the challenge, which causes Harold to let go of the boat and lose the first part
-Bridgette refuses to eat the leftovers because they might include meat, so Heather makes fun of her, even though she refuses to eat the leftovers herself
-Duncan and Geoff give Harold kitchen grease to drink, so Tyler goes up to check on Harold
-The campers must dance, but Duncan turns off the music so he doesn´t have to dance anymore, but then he has to do push-ups instead
-Gwen is allowed to use the bathroom after cleaning it, and while Trent does volunteer to help her, she refuses because he left her to die during Phobia Factor
-During the writing part of the challenge, Trent and Izzy fall asleep, while all the others manage to finish their essays
-Justin refuses to do the obstacle course due to it possibly harming his perfect body
-Tyler ends up stuck in the mud due to his broken leg, which Duncan makes fun of him for, so Chef sends him to the boathouse
-Gwen goes to bring Duncan some food due to her not wanting him to starve
-Duncan and Gwen convince Cody and Noah to help them steal food from Chris in order to not eat garbage anymore
-The four manage to steal the food, but Cody still refuses to talk to Noah
-Duncan smears peanut butter on Harold´s bed
-Noah eats too many sandwhiches and pukes where Cody is waiting outside
-Due to still being excited about breaking the rules, he asks Cody why he´s been ignoring him
-Cody continues to ignore him, though, so Noah goes to ask Trent, and Trent promises to ask Cody later
-Bridgette, Duncan, Geoff, Cody, Gwen, Heather and Noah have to hang from a tree branch
-Duncan, Heather and Noah all quickly give up
-The next to go is Cody, with Geoff following closely behind
-Due to Bridgette not having eaten much, and Gwen being tired after stealing all the food the day before, they both fall from the branch
-Gwen ends up hitting the ground first, though, so the Killer Bass win
-Heather convinces Tyler that Lindsay and her were friends, so he joins her alliance
-Justin is eliminated because he didn´t really help much and indirectly caused Leshawna and Lindsay to be eliminated
Episode 13: X-Treme Torture
-Izzy is unimpressed by the shower they could win, so Heather yells at her
-Gwen and Bridgette find a haiku written by a Secret Admirer and immediately assume it was meant for them
-Trent and Tyler have to skydive to the beach, which scares Tyler, considering that he broke his leg during a previous episode
-Gwen asks Trent if he likes to write haiku before he goes, but he denies it
-Trent jumps first, and the Screaming Gophers manage to catch him in the sofa
-Tyler jumps second, and while the Killer Bass do manage to catch him, his wound opens again and he has to go to the medical tent, earning them a pity point
-Bridgette asks Geoff if he likes haiku, but he just shows her a tattoo on his butt instead, deeply upsetting the moose
-Izzy manages to stay on the moose due to her crazy mad skills
-Harold has to ski behind Heather, and Noah has to ski behind Duncan
-Gwen and Bridgette decide to ask all the guys if they like haiku, but immediately count Harold out
-Bridgette asks Duncan first, but he just tells her that while he does have an eye on someone, he´d never do something as lame as poetry
-Harold manages to catch all five flags, so Heather decides to cut his rope in order to win, but her top gets accidentally ripped off, and Harold loses
-Gwen asks Noah first, but he just responds that he cares about none of them
-Bridgette asks Tyler next, but he doesn´t even know what a haiku is and swears that he´d never flirt with someone without Lindsay
-Sports really aren´t Noah´s forté, so the Screaming Gophers end up losing
-Gwen asks Cody, but he just awkwardly flirts with her, so she leaves, annoyed
-In the end, the two girls could not find out who it was written for
-Trent asks Cody why he ignores Noah so much, and Cody reveals that it´s because "he isn´t gay, and Noah kissed him"
-Bridgette, Duncan, Geoff, Harold and Tyler go to the showers, and the Screaming Gophers go to the elimination ceremony
-Cody was eliminated because he was not really useful in challenges and mostly just annoyed others, and Noah convinced everyone with Heather´s help to vote for Cody instead of himself
Episode 14: Brunch of Disgustingness
-Heather tries to sweet-talk Bridgette into an alliance, but Gwen tries to interfere
-Geoff and Bridgette share a quick kiss before he accidentally is hit over the head with Trent´s guitar
-Gwen and Heather fight when Bridgette returns, while Izzy´s just building a bomb in the background
-Heather continues to try to convince Bridgette to join her alliance while keeping her away from Gwen
-Geoff lets out the greatest burp and is crowned king of the male humans
-Heather put a tape line in the room, forcing Bridgette to choose between her side or Gwen´s, the tape going over Izzy, too
-Bridgette decides to go on Gwen´s side, so Heather pulls Izzy on her side
-Bridgette wants to build bridges, not walls
-Heather taunts the Boys, so Duncan throws a sandwich with Harold´s underwear on it at Heather
-Tyler and Harold just glare at Duncan, while Noah stays disinterested in the background, since it´s not an elimination challenge
-The girls begin to eat the testicles, with Izzy eating multiple plates, but Bridgette is unsure of what to do since she´s a vegetarian
-Geoff gives her an encouraging speech and she eats the balls, so the Girls lead
-The guys are mad at Geoff but then just immediately forgive him
-Bridgette refuses to eat living animals, and while Trent also refuses, Geoff holds him down while Tyler feeds him the pizza, scoring the Guys´ first point
-Izzy chokes on the worms and needs to be brought to the medical tent, so the Guys win the part, too
-Bridgette is able to make the Girls win by using technology
-Bridgette and Tyler both refuse to eat the dolphin wieners, so there´s a tiebreaker eat-off, Duncan vs Izzy
-Izzy has the lead, so Duncan knocks her unconscious and finishes his drinks first, winning it for the Guys
-Bridgette and Geoff kiss again before he leaves
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2020.07.22 03:56 GlutenKid Thought Our Car Was Broken Into Last Night. We Think It Might Have Been Something Stranger.

Hello all! Long time lurker, first time poster. I love the posts here and occasionally flip through the weekly top posts for some before-bed spooky entertainment with my partner.
I never really thought I would experience anything that would warrant being posted on here until a few hours ago.
For context, I’ve lived in New Orleans for almost my whole life and around two/three months ago, my partner and I moved into a really small apartment in Treme (which is in downtown and adjacent to the quarter). The neighborhood is really safe and wonderful. Despite its proximity to the quarter, it’s almost exclusively locals who live and hangout in the area. We’ve never once felt in any way unsafe and are night owls who can attest to the neighborhood’s night time safeness.
Early this morning, my partner left to do some home renovations at my dads house on the other side of town to make some extra money. When he got to our car (which is a 2004 Subaru Outback so nothing luxurious), he found the driver’s side door to be unlocked which was pretty uncommon for us. We are very careful to make sure it’s locked.
However, when he got in the car, he found a fully new and fresh pack of cigarettes on the driver’s seat. Despite both of us smoking occasionally, we had recently stopped buying them and would have had zero reason to have a new pack of unsmoked cigs in the car— not to mention that we only ever smoke in our courtyard and certainly don’t smoke in our car.
After he got done with work, he came back home around 5:30 and mentioned this to me. Having lived here for most of my life, this didn’t really surprise me. Cars get broken into all the time over here (no matter the area) and we were smart not to keep anything valuable in it in the first place.
However, as he started to go further into the story, things started to get a little strange for both of us. 1. The car, which we got from my grandmother only a month ago, has very very few miles on it because she never drove. We had recently been observing the miles on the car the day before so we could see what our mileage was like. However, when he looked down at them this morning, he saw that the car had an additional 7-8 miles on it that we had not driven on it. This, by itself, is not that strange under the assumption that our car had been stolen. 2. That being said, when we left our car the night before, around 8:45, it had about a quarter tank of gas. This morning it had a full tank. 3. The brand of cigarettes in the car were the only brand we ever smoked. While a somewhat common brand in the US, it’s not a super common brand to smoke down here. Most people in NOLA smoke reds, golds, or newport’s. The pack left in the car were light blue american spirits which are a little more expensive than more common brands down here. We are super open about only smoking light blues and if our friends were to ever buy us cigs as a gift, they would know to buy these and nothing else. 4. Like I said, nothing else was stolen or altered in our car. Our insurance, which was sitting on the backseat because of some recent typical car issues. This was left untouched. We have some nice-ish stereo attachments that were also untouched. Some sunglasses as well. None of this was moved or altered. Additionally, there were zero signs of forced entry or technical tampering with the car. It hasn’t appeared to be hot wired in any way. Additionally, we have a car battery in our trunk from when we had to replace it a few days before. We have yet to take it the the auto parts store to get reimbursed for it. It would get you like $200 so I feel like they missed a pretty substantial opportunity for quick cash. 5. Our neighbor drives a Jag. Why steal our shitty, dinky little car when that’s parked five feet from us? 6. ADDITION. Someone asked this in the comments so I decided to include this in here as well. There are only two existing keys to our car— one that my partner keeps and one that I keep. Our front door is very very old and locks automatically meaning that we have to keep our keys on us at all times. They have never gone missing and have never been stolen. None of our family or friends have keys or any access to our car. Both of our keys were in our key tray when we woke up. The car is from out of state and when we picked it up, we were given the only keys.
All that being said, we felt very weird about all of this. The most (I guess) logical explanation is that someone found a way to get into our car and start it somehow and then simply drove it around, bought some cigs while they were out, returned the car to the exact place we had parked it, and then forgot the new pack of cigs on the seat. But even that seems super strange to me. If this person had the wherewithal to break into someone’s car and hot wire it, why not just steal it? Why fill up our gas tank? How would you be able to remember the exact place we parked it but not be able to remember the fresh cigarettes you just purchased? It doesn’t make any sense to us.
We both agreed that the behavior is really strange and seems like something WE would do rather than someone else. I mean, of course we would buy the brand of cigs we smoke and then park our car in the same place after filling it up with a full tank. We jokingly suggested sleep walking but, to our knowledge, neither of us have ever sleepwalked in any capacity much less........ sleep-driven??? and gotten cigarettes and a tank of gas?? Additionally, we live on the side of a gated house and have a security system that we set every night. How would we have been able to unlock the security system AND the front gate AND DRIVE? This doesn’t seem like what could have possibly happened. I’m mostly just throwing it out there so you all can be privy to what all we considered lol.
At this point, we’re very confused. There seems to be very little motivation for stealing our car. WHY WOULD YOU FILL IT WITH A FULL TANK OF GAS???? It literally feels as if we did all of this and had no idea of it. Neither of us have any of the related charges on our card. I’m sure many will comment that some kind soul stole our car for a night out. I’m sure that’s what happened. But I can’t help but feel very confused and weird about this. Let me know what you all think. Weird shit lol.
UPDATE: We live across the street from a really nice house (the ppl who have the Jag) and they have signs along their property that says that they have cameras. I believe one of them points towards he place we parked. Going to go over tomorrow and ask them if they caught anything from last night. Will update in the morning assuming we don’t have carbon monoxide poisoning and die during the night. ALSO we will provide pictures as to where our car was parked and any other identifying pictures that could help figure out what the fuck happened. I know sometimes posters are accused of fabricating stories on here and we’re in the strange position right now where we’re pretty desperately looking for some sort of explanation for this and want to avoid the obstacle of “lol this is fake”.
Here is the link to some pictures. https://imgur.com/gallery/uz9oIPT
In the comments, we’ve linked a map of the area to show how close we are to two gas stations. certainly closer than 4 miles away. I would estimate them being 1/4 of a mile. easily walkable.
UPDATE: Neighbors weren’t home. Left a note on the front door explaining the situation and left our phone number. Hopefully we hear back. https://imgur.com/gallery/6ZsxhKr here is the letter w our info blacked out.
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2020.07.10 23:00 futurepoet Greatest Male Players in Challenge History: No. 1 - Landon Lueck

Honorable Mentions - Abram, Brad, Dan S., Jamie, Mike M., Theo V., Turbo, Wes
No. 10 - Alton Williams (Real World: Las Vegas)
No. 9 - Mark Long (Road Rules: USA - The First Adventure)
No. 8 - Darrell Taylor (Road Rules: Campus Crawl)
No. 7 - Derrick Kosinski (Road Rules: X-Treme)
No. 6 - Kenny Santucci (Fresh Meat)
No. 5 - Evan Starkman (Fresh Meat)
No. 4 - C.T. Tamburello (Real World: Paris)
No. 3 - Jordan Wiseley (Real World: Portland)
No. 2 - Johnny Bananas (Real World: Key West)
No. 1 - Landon Lueck (Real World: Philadelphia)
 
Good Guy Landon has one of the greatest rookie campaigns ever on Inferno II.
 
Despite being the only male rookie on his team, Landon went on to outperform everyone on his team. Landon lead the Good Guys in four life shields, Mike came in 2nd with three, and Darrell came in third place by winning one. The four life shields Landon won tested upper body strength (Zip Up), mental strength (Heart Rate Bungee), and other various skills (Time to Ride and Dodge Yer Balls). Good Guy Landon not only excelled in missions. Landon went 2-0 in the elimination floor (won against Karamo in a physical-strategy game and beat Dan in a climbing contest where players had to use pegs to climb up a wall). From a pure competition standpoint, I’d say Landon was the second best performer out of both teams, coming in second (C.T. won 6 life shields for the Bad Asses, two more than Landon). However, in the end, CT’s team didn’t win and Landon’s did, so you can always make the argument that Landon was the MVP of the championship team, therefore the number one performer when taking the ultimate victory into account.
 
Landon’s Zip Up (Inferno II) is one of the greatest mission performances of all-time.
 
In Zip Up, there were two identical zip lines high in the air (one for each team). Once at a time, players from both teams were suspended from these zip lines and below them were travel lines they had to use to pull themselves up. The goal of the mission was to travel as far as you can in a 2 minute time limit. The travel line was on a steady incline making it difficult to travel the higher you’d go. On the travel line, there were meter markers attached to the lines to indicate how far each player traveled. At the end, the team with the highest cumulative distance reached would win the mission. Zip Up was a test of pure upper body strength and muscular endurance. There were eight heats.
 
The Good Guys trailed for almost the whole competition and right before the final heat, they finally caught up and evened the score with the Bad Asses. The outcome of the mission was going to be determined by the final match-up. The last Good Guys player to go was Landon, and C.T. was the last player to represent the Bad Asses. The responsibility to win now laid in the hands of the best players on each team. It couldn’t get more epic than that. Up until to that point, here were the meters traveled by the rest of the competitive field: Mike Mizanin – 17 meters, Abram – 20, Darrell – 20, Derrick – 26, and Brad – 28 m. In the final heat, C.T. reached 26 meters and Landon got to a staggering 33 meters. Not only did Landon’s clutch performance win Zip Up for the Good Guys team, but he blew the physical brute C.T. out the water in a mission that was catered to C.T.’s physical strength. Landon doubled Mike’s distance, who was one of the strongest guys during this period of time. Landon might’ve not been built with humongous size like C.T. or Mike, but his strength and physical endurance was out of this world, and Zip Up confirms that.
 
Landon became the General to Captain Alton on Gauntlet II.
 
In Landon’s sophomore season, he was cast on the Rookies, where he became the second best player on the team after Captain Alton. Every time teams had to come up with pairs for missions (Balancing Act and Easy Does It), Alton paired up with Landon and those two put up the best time/score becoming the sole reason the Rookies won that mission.
 
In Balancing Act, pairs had to walk across parallel tight ropes while facing one another using a small rope to help them control their balance. Twelve pairs competed. Eleven of them failed miserably. The only pair to complete the challenge were Alton and Landon giving the Rookies the win.
 
In Easy Does It, pairs had to climb up a rope ladder and transfer themselves across a tilting platform under a certain time limit. Alton and Landon were one of only four pairs (the other six failed) to complete the mission and they did it the fastest. The Rookies won again.
 
Alton recognized that other than him, Landon was the best athlete on his team which is why he was always pairing with him in missions and calling him “General Landon” all season long. Although Landon wasn’t of the highest rank within the Rookies, being second-in-line allowed him to avoid the gauntlet and make it to the final challenge. The Rookies won the finals and Landon reeled in another trophy on his sophomore season.
 
General Landon turned into Lando Commando on the Duel II.
 
By Landon’s third season, it was evident that he was done being the ultimate competitor sidekick to Boston Robot CT on Inferno II and Superman Alton on Gauntlet II. Landon was now the number one guy. On the Duel II, Landon’s opposition was Brad, Evan, and Mark for the whole regular season. There were 9 regular season missions on the Duel II. One of them was a spelling bee (Spelling Air) and there was another that involved politics in which the cast basically determined who they would be fine with winning the competition (Last Man Standing). The other 7 missions in the season actually required competitive abilities. Out of those seven, Landon won five of them (All Shook Up, Burnt, Dangle Duo, Luge Your Mind, and Upside Downer), and he came in second place for the other two (Don’t Let Go and Freezing As Puck).
 
In All Shook Up, challengers fought to the death hanging onto a pair of parallel ropes above a mud pit. The goal of the mission was to shake everyone off the rope by any means necessary and be the last competitor hanging on. The final two in Landon’s first heat came down to Landon and Mark, and they had a grappling contest using just their legs to kick one another off while hanging onto the ropes for dear life. Landon successfully wrestled Mark off the ropes and soaked him in mud. Landon then went on to take care of Nehemiah and M.J. in the final heat to win the mission.
 
In Dangle Duo, individuals had to pair up with someone of the opposite sex and climb up a 100-foot chained ladder that was high in the air; fastest team to reach the bell at the top of the ladder would go on to win the mission. Landon outsmarted his opponents by being the only male to use his back as a stepping stool for his female partner, Brittni, so she can help herself climb up the ladder. The other females struggled to climb up the ladder in rapid pace due to poor upper body strength because their male partners failed to think of the same strategy Landon had thought of. Because of this, Landon and Brittni won.
 
In Upside Downer, players were suspended 200 feet into the air, over a river and had to swing from side to side using a rope under them to grab carvings that were suspended on both sides of the rope under them. The player to collect the ten carvings the fastest would go on to win the mission. Upside Downer was a mission that tested fear of heights and agility. Here were the results: Derek collected 1 tablet and was disqualified by the 10 minute time limit, M.J. collected the ten tablets with a time of 9 minutes 37 seconds, Evan - 5 minutes 27 seconds, Brad - 4 minutes 53 seconds, Mark - 2 minutes 52 seconds, and Landon got all ten with a time of 2 minutes flat. Landon performed as if he had the same exact contraption somewhere in his backyard. Landon’s Upside Downer showing was unreal, and it definitely deserves a mention in the super short list of greatest mission performances in Challenge history.
 
Landon saw two eliminations on the Duel II. He went into the fifth duel of the Season v. Isaac. They played Spot On, where they had to complete a puzzle that was located on a rock climbing wall. Puzzle-based eliminations are unsafe for any competitor, especially the best challenge athletes. They’re not allowed to use their strength or athleticism to inflict damage on their opponents, and they have to retreat to their brains to keep them alive. Puzzles are the perfect equalizers for mediocre competitors when they go up against a great athlete, but not if you’re going up against Landon (a great athlete who also happens to have ATG intelligence). Landon blew out Isaac on Spot On, just a few days after having just won the only intelligence based mission of the season, Luge My Mind.
 
Landon was one highly questionable elimination away from the only perfect career ever.
 
Landon dominated the Duel II all the way up until the final 4. When it got down to four remaining males, T.J. was out of missions and only had three spots for the finals. Landon, Brad, Evan, and Mark all had to vote one male to throw into the final male duel. Landon suggested writing down names into a hat, they all agreed and he left the room to go get pieces of paper. Fatal mistake. As soon as Landon left the room, the rest of the group plotted behind his back and agreed to write his name down and vote him in. Landon chose to go against Brad in the final male duel, Back Off, and lost 2-1 in a best-of-three rounds.
 
It’s a universal opinion within the Challenge fandom that Brad vs. Landon is one of the most questionable elimination results in challenge history. Landon was disqualified in the first round for not going after Brad’s ring and Brad got away with doing the same exact thing that Landon did in later rounds that got him the victory. Brad swinging Landon’s hook was such an illegal prayer of a move that was legal? Challenge production screwed this one up. I’m convinced they forgot to explain what wasn’t allowed and just let Brad win without making it a bigger controversy. Had Brad never “legally” swung Landon’s hook, Landon would’ve won the elimination and the final challenge would’ve been his to win.
 
Landon’s loss to Brad is the only blemish in his record. Not just elimination record. I’m talking career record. Landon is the greatest finals runner to ever exist in America’s Fifth Sport (only Jordan rivals him in this element). His performance in the Fresh Meat II final (which I get into later) manifests this notion. Landon’s ATG stamina and his upbringing of great outdoor activities – biking, hiking, and climbing – have allowed him to dominate every final challenge thrown his way. The Duel II final was tailor-made for him. Theoretically speaking, if the Back Off elimination was called fair, Landon eliminates Brad, goes to the final and wins comfortably barring the chance he gets eaten by a bear on his way to the finish line. Landon’s career then becomes: 6-0 elimination record, 4 out of 4 finals appearances, 4 out of 4 championship seasons, and a triple crown achievement. In the Challenge, no one is invincible. Landon almost was. Landon was one strange officiated elimination away from the only picture perfect career ever in Challenge history. But the reality is: Landon has a 5-1 elimination record, 3 out of 4 finals, and 3 out of 4 championships and that’s more than enough to take the Challenge throne…Especially, when you take into consideration the breaking record performances he had in his last championship season, Fresh Meat II.
 
Landon’s Fresh Meat II is the most impressive season performance in challenge history.
 
This is the season where the personality of Good Guy Landon and the out of this world physical abilities of Lando Commando join forces to make the perfect example of a what a challenge competitor should be. On FM2, Landon was dealt the worst hand you can ask for in Challenge land, a terrible partner. He was paired up with Carley, who is undoubtedly one of the worst female competitors to ever put on a Challenge uniform. There’s been 168 females to ever compete in the Challenge; Carley doesn’t crack top 150 if we’re judging based off pure competitive abilities. That’s how terrible Carley was. Landon still miraculously managed to win two missions with Carley. They were the only pair other than Kenny/Laurel to win multiple missions on FM2. Landon also won two exiles, despite having to drag Carley around who nearly died on more than one occasion, because her shape and conditioning was deadly poor.
 
Landon non-believers would argue that his FM2 win was against an average bunch. This is false. Landon’s high end opposition was Kenny and Laurel, Luke and Evelyn, Pete and Jillian, and Noor and Jenn. Laurel and Evelyn are the top 2 females to ever compete in the Challenge. Kenny, although average throughout his career as a competitor was a workhorse on FM2. Jenn and Jillian were well established veterans and above average competitors. Their partners Pete and Noor were some of the best rookie athletes the Challenge had seen during that time period. The competition in the final stages of FM2 was stacked and Landon defeated all of them while having a dead body attached to his hip that he had to carry around throughout the show’s entirety.
 
Exile v. The Women’s Division G.O.A.T.
 
As mentioned above, Carley doesn’t crack the top 150 females to have ever compete. Evelyn has a strong case for being the number one female ever from a pure competition standpoint. Her partner, Luke, is the definition of an Average Joe based off his performances on FM2 and Cutthroat. He wasn’t the fastest or the strongest. He actually had a smaller build than ninety percent of the males cast on the Challenge, but he was athletic, showed various skill (beat Big Easy in Swat), and proved himself as a long distance runner in the grueling Cutthroat final. There’s been 161 males to have ever compete on the Challenge. If I had to make a rough estimate where Luke ranked amongst every male to ever lace them up, I’d say Luke is somewhere between 70-80, worst case scenario.
 
The tale of the tape for the Landon/Carley v. Evelyn/Luke exile that happened at the end of the season was basically looking like: #1 all-time male Landon and #150 all-time female Carley vs. #1 all-time female Evelyn and #75 all-time Luke. The title for the gender-neutral G.O.A.T. title was on the line. Going into the exile, Evelyn had the large upper hand (a far better opposite sex partner). It was evident that Landon was going to have to break his back to have a chance at winning.
 
When the exile went underway, Carley blacked out and couldn’t carry any of the weights in her buckets. Landon carried all 150 pounds by himself, whereas Luke and Evelyn split carried theirs. Along with carrying all of Carley’s weight, he solved all three puzzles without her help because she was too busy trying to figure out where she was. Carley was a lifeless zombie. Landon literally dragged his lifeless zombie partner to the exile finish line, and finished with a faster time than Luke/Evelyn, eliminating them from FM2.
 
Landon’s exile performance against Luke/Evelyn might just be his greatest work ever (in an already extremely long laundry list of great work he’s done), but I got it second to his 100 point performance in the final challenge of FM2.
 
Landon’s final challenge performance on Fresh Meat II is the Challenge’s edition of Wilt’s 100 point game.
 
In the FM2 final, Landon/Carley faced the powerhouse team of the season, Kenny/Laurel. Kenny is widely considered one of the greatest long distance runners ever and Laurel is the second best female competitor to have ever exist in Challenge history. Landon had to deal with Carley’s deathly poor conditioning for another time for longer, greater distances against an even more elite duo than the one they had overcome in their exile just a few nights before. It was going to be impossible for Landon to win, but he defied all odds once again for one final time.
 
What Landon did in the Fresh Meat II final is equivalent to scoring a 100 point game in professional basketball. Landon scored 100 points by carrying an 80 pound bag without Carley’s assistance throughout the whole final, completing every checkpoint by himself, and pushing his lifeless anchor of a partner up a mountain to get them to the finish line first before the powerhouse duo of Kenny/Laurel.
 
Landon’s FM2 final challenge performance, just like Wilt’s 100 will never be topped again. I want to add more to this analogy by saying Landon’s FM2 regular season performance mirrors the greatest scoring season ever in NBA history, also by Wilt Chamberlain. Landon basically was putting up 50 points a game in Challenge terms by having to endure Carley’s W.O.A.T. tier abilities all season, and still winning missions, eliminations and the final at the very end. Landon’s good guy personality allowed him to keep calm, never lose his cool, and be the most encouraging and supportive partner Carley could ever ask for in a show where 90 percent of the people can never keep calm, are always losing their cool, and never ever supportive when they’re paired up with someone terrible.
 
Put the rest of the Mount Rushmore in Landon’s shoes on Fresh Meat 2. Envision current Jordan, a prime J.B., or a prime C.T. being paired up with the extremely terrible Carley. Jordan - Carley probably quits halfway in the competition because she can no longer tolerate the way Jordan speaks down on her competitive abilities. Assuming she doesn’t quit, Jordan is not strong enough to carry all 150 pounds in the exile all by himself and loses to Luke/Evelyn; plus his puzzle skills aren’t on the level of Landon’s; Bananas - Same as Jordan; C.T. – This one is interesting, because C.T. can easily carry all the exile weight by himself and finish the puzzles, and wins against Luke/Evelyn. However, prime C.T. was a loose cannon. In the small chance he does reach the final, he probably would’ve thrown Carley off the mountain and we would’ve never heard from her again. You get the narrative.
 
The 100 point final game and averaging 50 points throughout the FM2 season is why I have Landon #1 all-time, because I don’t think Jordan, J.B., or C.T. would have ever accomplished the same. None of these guys, in any version of themselves ever, possessed Landon’s patience and good-hearted personality that would’ve been able to keep Carley’s lifeline alive. This leads to my final point which is: Landon is only ‘total package’ competitor to ever touch Challenge soil; a title Jordan, J.B., and C.T. fall short of.
 
Landon’s Overall Assessment.
 
A total package in the Challenge is best described as a competitor who possesses all-time great tier abilities in nearly every element of the Challenge, while also showing no weaknesses. Numbers 2-4 of the Challenge Mount Rushmore come close to qualifying, but fall short for different reasons: Jordan has ATG athleticism, mental strength, strategy, stamina, and swimming. His shaky political game and hand-to-hand combat abilities, however, are a weakness. He also has that whole Free Agents and Total Madness showing; Bananas has ATG strategy and has a good balance in every other area. Although there aren’t any glaring holes in his competitive abilities, only one of them is considered all-time great and that fails to meet the requirement. Plus, we’ve seen some dud performances in his career; C.T. has ATG strength, athleticism, intelligence, eating, and mental strength. But I wouldn’t consider C.T. to have great leadership, he was too much of a hothead in the prime of his career. His long distance running has also shown to be faulty at times.
 
The rest of the top 10 also fail to qualify: Evan – mental strength was abysmal; Kenny – athleticism, intelligence, and various skills were poor; Darrell – same as Kenny; Derrick – adequate intelligence and smaller size hindered him in weight based eliminations; Mark – competitive killer instinct was missing; Alton – embarrassing mental strength and Battle of the Seasons is one large black hole in his resume.
 
There were no missing elements to Landon’s game whatsoever. Landon was an all-time great in the following categories: Strength, Athleticism, Intelligence, Leadership, Mental Strength, and Stamina. You can make a strong argument the he was either one of the best or at the very worst, a top 10 challenger in each of those categories. You can’t say that for any other competitor here. Landon being a total package competitor is exactly why he didn’t have to rely on a super intense political-social game to be successful. His competitive performances always kept him at the top of social structures without ever making any enemies. I’d take Landon’s laid back political/social over most guys (including Jordan and J.B., who put a bigger target on themselves and make more enemies). He wasn’t actively cutting deals or moving chess pieces, but people naturally gravitated towards him because of they looked up to him as a competitor and had a great personality. Landon’s career was extremely short in comparison to the J.B. and C.T., but there’s no question in my mind, had he kept doing more challenges, he would’ve went on to have the more successful career.
 
Along with having the best abilities out of any Challenge player ever, Landon’s accomplishments are praiseworthy enough to call him the Challenge G.O.A.T. He was the best player as a rookie on his first championship team (Inferno II Good Guys), he was the second best player on his second championship team as a sophomore (Gauntlet II Rookies), had the most dominant regular season ever and was one elimination away from winning a championship (Duel II), and has the greatest championship season ever bar none (Fresh Meat II). When you look at the summary of accomplishments in his career, what Landon did in just four seasons holds more G.O.A.T. value than what Johnny did in 20 seasons, C.T. did in seventeen, and Jordan did in seven. That’s why Landon is my #1 pick in an all-time draft of anybody ever in America’s Fifth Sport.
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2020.07.10 16:07 futurepoet Top Ten Greatest Male Players in Challenge History: No. 2 - Johnny Bananas

Honorable Mentions - Abram, Brad, Dan S., Jamie, Mike M., Theo V., Turbo, Wes
No. 10 - Alton Williams (Real World: Las Vegas)
No. 9 - Mark Long (Road Rules: USA - The First Adventure)
No. 8 - Darrell Taylor (Road Rules: Campus Crawl)
No. 7 - Derrick Kosinski (Road Rules: X-Treme)
No. 6 - Kenny Santucci (Fresh Meat)
No. 5 - Evan Starkman (Fresh Meat)
No. 4 - C.T. Tamburello (Real World: Paris)
No. 3 - Jordan Wiseley (Real World: Portland)
No. 2 - Johnny Bananas (Real World: Key West)
 
Bananas is the face of the Challenge franchise.
 
Bananas is the most popular player to ever play. He’s appeared on the most seasons ever (20). Although this statistic does nothing to boost the argument of why he’s considered one of the greatest ever, winning 6 of them certainly does. That’s more than anyone in the history of the show (Darrell comes in second place with 4, then there’s a handful of challengers with three).
 
Bananas non-believers may argue that his 6 wins come as a result of having more at bat attempts than anyone else by a large margin. That is indeed true, but the same non-believers also argue that he leads the Challenge in most elimination losses ever (13). This is where I come in and make the same counter-argument they made to his six championships: he’s appeared more than anyone else ever by a large margin, so it’s not the most ludicrous thing in the world that he’s lost more than anyone in the history of the show. That 10-13 elimination record could be a lot prettier sure, but I don’t think it’s enough to knock Bananas out of the G.O.A.T. tier. Why? Babe Ruth is in the G.O.A.T. tier of baseball. Babe Ruth led the MLB in home runs (similar to Johnny leading the Challenge in championship crowns), but he also led the league in strikeouts (epitomizing Johnny having the most losses in elimination rounds).
 
J.E.K.’s fourth horseman.
 
Johnny Bananas was the fourth and final piece to the J.E.K. dynasty, the greatest dynasty in Challenge history. Kenny and Evan were the clear leaders, Derrick was third, and Johnny was fourth in the hierarchy scale. Although Bananas was the least powerful of the four and had a troubled social game early in his career, the strength of the dynasty helped him reel in his first three championships.
 
Johnny’s social game on his first championship season, the Island, was ugly to watch. He called every girl on the Island a dumb bitch and bullied four of them (Evelyn, Kelly Anne, Robin, Tonya) throughout the entirety of the show. Half the island hated Johnny so much, he was almost sent home over Abram, who was begging everyone to vote him out because he had important business to take care of back home. Bananas barely escaped with a vote of 9-6. On the Island, Derrick had to throw one of the final face-offs for Johnny to get his second key after he had gotten his first one stolen (due to his poor behavior towards Evelyn). Evelyn was getting ready to steal his key again a second time, until Kenny’s political-social magic persuaded Evelyn to sell her soul to devil. Johnny shouldn’t have even won on the Island, let alone have a spot in one of the final boats. J.B.’s Island win was all of the dynasty’s doing. They controlled his fate because they had more power in the game.
 
In his second championship, The Ruins, Bananas had to prove his worth to the rest of the dynasty as a competitor. When the game dwindled down to only 4 male champions for the last male elimination, it was only JEK Dynasty members having to pick between one another on the Champions team. Derrick would’ve been the easy choice if you were going based off performance (since he was the sole reason the Champions had lost a mission earlier in the season and basically, Johnny had performed better as a team player up until that point), but Kenny and Evan still threw in Johnny into the last male Ruins. They respected Derrick more. J.B. ended up going in and winning his first career elimination against the last remaining challenger male, Dunbar, in a physical game. I would consider Dunbar the definition of an average competitor, but physically he was one of the bigger guys on the show, so Johnny gets major props here. Johnny’s elimination win proved he was a worthy competitor to the rest of the dynasty and he rightfully earned his second championship as the Champions won the final against the Challengers.
 
Moving Up the J.E.K. Ladder.
 
The political theme of Johnny’s third championship, Rivals, was J.E.K. and friends vs. C.T. While Johnny was generally the lowest man in the J.E.K. hierarchy, I really feel like Rivals is where he starts being seen as equal to them, mainly due to his competitive abilities (Kenny was a subpar regular season performer on Rivals and Evan was in “pregnant” physical shape). Johnny/Tyler were the best performing team all season. They won the most missions out any male pair (Hammock Crawl, Against The Current, and Sawed Off), and won the most critical elimination of the season: T-Bone v. CT/Adam.
 
In T-Bone, players had to run up and down, through intersecting half-pipes, and had to transfer colored balls to their partner's ball rack. The first team to have both players transfer their five balls to their partner's rack won. Physical contact was allowed, CT’s specialty. I see a lot of challenge fans downplay Johnny/Tyler’s T-Bone victory and make the argument that they won because Adam sucks. Adam is actually one of the more speedy competitors to ever be on the show (case and point: Ball Brawl against Danny on G3). Adam made the mistake of transferring the wrong balls early on, having to make extra laps in comparison to everyone else and he still somehow managed to almost catch up to Tyler, only losing by a few steps. Johnny also finished just a few seconds after CT, who’s the best physical specimen in Challenge history. Johnny’s win in T-Bone and the three missions he won throughout the season got him and Tyler to the final challenge of Rivals, where he collected his third championship trophy.
 
*Battle of the Exes proved to us that Bananas is not a product of J.E.K.’s success; he is his own entity.
 
I personally believe Rivals cemented Johnny Bananas as Challenge royalty. But even with the Rivals win, some people still weren’t giving Johnny Bananas the respect he deserved and saw him as nothing more than a JEK product. The argument against J.B. was that his three championship wins were a result of the system that was orchestrated by political overlord Kenny and Evan. If you broke down his three wins before Exes, that wasn’t a far cry from logical. On The Island, Derrick had to throw a face-off for him to get his key. J.B. was going to get his key stolen by Evelyn again and lose his spot in the final boat, but Kenny went to bat for him and changed Evelyn’s mind. On The Ruins, he won because he was in a team with all his dynasty members who protected him for seventh-eights of the season. On Rivals, half the teams consisted of a dynasty member making it easy for J.B., Evan, and Kenny to control the game.
 
Exes is the first season in the Challenge timeline where the Dynasty became extinct. On Exes, it was clear Johnny Bananas had learned well from his dynasty peers and finally was controlling the politics all on his own without Kenny and Evan’s assistance. J.B. aligned with Mark/Robin, CT/Diem, and Paula/Dunbar. Him and Camila were on cruise control for almost the whole entire season.
 
Johnny and Camila won three missions (Give Me Some Honey, Rolling in the Deep, Lube Me Up) and came in second place for two other missions (Hook Up, Don’t Rock The Boat). They landed in the top two five out of eight times. Johnny also went into the final elimination before the final and faced Mark in X-Battle.
 
Johnny defeated Mark 2 to 1 in a physical elimination game where you had to rip an object away from your opponents hands to win. Mark is an absolute freak of nature and had about 30 lbs. of pure strength on Johnny, but Johnny pulled the upset. Rumors have gone around for ages in the Challenge community that Johnny got Mark to throw the elimination round. Whether that’s true or not still credits Bananas in some way. It’s a resume builder for him either as a competitor or a social player. Johnny’s Exes performance was his finest one yet, and he proved to the rest of the world that he was not just a product of the JEK system. The fourth championship established him as his own entity.
 
J.B.’s Battle of the Exes final performance is the best come-from-behind victory ever in America’s Fifth Sport.
 
The Exes final took place in Iceland. To this day, it is considered one of the most grueling finals ever. Competitors had to deal with extreme freezing temperatures, icy winds, and running in deep snow while completing eight different checkpoints over the course of two days.
 
J.B. and Camila trailed for the whole final, but right at the final’s last leg: the large mountain climb, C.T. gassed out and J.B.’s endurance stayed in gear. The master strategic thinking in J.B. came up with the brilliant idea of using the large footprint holes C.T. made in the snow to move up the mountain, conserving his energy and letting him and Camila reach the finish line first before CT/Diem.
 
Bananas political-social game is one of the best when it’s “on”.
 
I don’t think Johnny is the best to ever play the game in terms of political and social prowess, but I would definitely say he is in the top 10 conversation. He has too big of a bullseye coming in every season, because of his fame and makes too many enemies to be considered top 5. Johnny makes the top 10 politically/socially because of how tuned he is with the game and a lot of the time his group of friends are the best competitors, and in result the ones running the show.
 
Times where Johnny’s political/social game was “on”: Ruins, Cutthroat, Rivals, Exes, Rivals II, Bloodlines, Rivals III, Invasion, and D30. Ruins and Rivals – J.E.K.. controlled the game; Cutthroat – Johnny got in Emilee’s ear during the draft and built a roster based off experienced players he wanted in the end (Derrick, Jenn), promising rookies to throw in when the fodder was gone during the mid game (Ty, Emily, Theresa), and team fodder to throw in every elimination until they went home at the beginning of the game (Derek, Eric, Katie). If Ty wasn’t such a catastrophic event, Johnny wouldn’t have even saw an elimination on Cutthroat; Rivals II – The girls controlled the men’s fate, and Johnny never saw an elimination the whole season despite not performing up to regular competitive standards because he was aligned with three of the four best girl teams; Bloodlines - Johnny didn’t see an elimination until the very end despite all of his alliance members going home early this season; Invasion - You’re probably wondering how this ended up here, but given the circumstances of the season there wasn’t much to judge on. However, go watch the whole Roll With The Punches mission on Invasion and this is proof of how Johnny is always two steps ahead in the political department, even in a room full of champs; and D30 – Bananas was protected at all angles: CT, Derrick, Jordan, Leroy, and Tony all had Bananas as either their #1 or #2.
 
Jack of all trades, the master of strategy.
 
Johnny Bananas doesn’t have physical abilities such as Alton’s athleticism or CT’s superhuman strength, but one thing he does have is the greatest strategical mind to ever approach the game. When you compare Bananas to all-time elite competitors, his abilities are very good, but not great in the following categories: strength, athleticism, intelligence, and stamina.
 
Bananas manages to keep up with his most elite adversaries by analyzing the competitions and finding strategies through observation of performance better than anyone to have ever play the game. His brilliant strategies and well-rounded abilities fuse together to make him an elite competitor. Theres a reason he leads the challenge in most mission wins ever (59), and has had a high winning rate in every individual/partner season that he’s ever done.
 
Watch any challenge Johnny is apart of, I promise you he’s on the sidelines cooking up a game plan whenever he’s not at the beginning of “the order”. Here is a list of some of the missions where Johnny’s strategy was the driving factor behind him or his team the winning the mission: Giraffic Park (I3), Chain Gang (Ruins), Brain Buster (Cutthroat), Sawed Up (Rivals), Lube Me Up (Exes), Bar Crawl (Free Agents), and Decontamination (Total Madness).
 
In Lube Me Up, players had to slide down a slippery course, retrieve oversized balls at the bottom of the course, and had to advance themselves up the slope, while using ropes to guide them, and break a plane toward the top of the course to win. Johnny’s opposition in this mission was C.T., Mark, Dunbar, and Ty. Johnny was the only one to not use the ropes as assistance. Instead, he ran up the course by using his toes to dig through the slippery mat. The other guys failed to think of this brilliant strategy and were slipping all over the place.
 
J.B.’s Free Agents replaced Exes as his apex performance.
 
On FA, Johnny won 4 missions, 3 eliminations, and a challenging final to get his fifth trophy all while playing from the bottom, socially, for the majority of the game.
 
Three of Johnny’s four mission wins stood out to me. They are the following: Bar Crawl (six teams of 4 competed; J.B. did what he knows best and came up with the winning strategy), Bounce Out (J.B. had the most important role on the team for this mission, and he performed extremely better than Isaac, who shared the same role for the opposing team), and Crossover (In the final mission of the season, pairs had to travel across a lagoon, collect puzzle pieces on the other side, travel back and solve a puzzle; J.B. came through in the clutch and solved the puzzle first to lock a trip to the finale in Chile).
 
The three eliminations Bananas won: Balls In against Isaac, handed Jordan the first loss in his elimination career in Wrecking Wall, and beat CT in puzzle pyramid in the final elimination of the season. J.B.’s win versus C.T. in FA goes down as Johnny’s best elimination showing, because not only is C.T. a puzzle genius, but it was a complete blowout.
 
Johnny followed up his greatest elimination performance ever with his greatest individual achievement ever: winning a solo final and in essence, a solo game. All of this happened in the matter of 2 days. I’m having a hard time deciding what was J.B.’s most impressive moment in the FA finals between: (1) Him smoking everyone in the most critical stage of them all: the stationary pedaling bike (Bananas got a time of 1 hour flat, Reilly got 1 hr 23 mins, and Zach completed the stage in 1 hr 31 minutes), (2) Bananas coming up with the perfect strategy to solve the tree stump puzzle where pairs had to name the cities in order of geography; Johnny solved the puzzle by putting the original tree back together by the way it was carved. Everyone else failed to complete this stage and reached the time penalty; or (3) Bananas turning a new leaf and shockingly being supportive to his female partner Devyn who was hindering his pace.
 
Rivals III. The journey to the sixth championship was an absolute landslide for Johnny.
 
Bananas and Sarah have of the best political mindsets to ever play the game. The same can be said about their competitive abilities. When you looked at the competition they were playing against on Rivals III, you just knew the season was over as soon as it began. It’s the most predictable season to have ever taken place ever in terms of pairs or individual seasons.
 
J.B. and Sarah absolutely dominated on both sides of the field. They won 4 missions and were never voted into elimination once (the only elimination they saw was because of the black skull twist at the end of the season). Teams had their chance to throw them in (Nate/Christina and Dario/Nicole) late in the game when they were without safety, but they didn’t due to Johnny’s political-social charm. Johnny/Sarah got to the finals where J.B. earned his sixth championship. The journey didn’t end there. J.B. committed the most ruthless, heinous act ever seen on the show by stealing Sarah’s prize money in return for her crossing him on Exes II. Bananas and Sarah’s storyline on Rivals III was the best revenge to ever take place in Challenge history.
 
The Six-Season Finals Drought.
 
Ever since Johnny Bananas stole the money from Sarah on Rivals III, Johnny has had a pretty bad streak of either getting eliminated early or falling short of the final. Fans have referred to it as the Rivals III curse, and anti-J.B. people have used it to discredit Johnny’s career, and argue that he’s a false representation of the greatest to ever play. This is an elephant in the room that I’m willing to address, because quite honestly the elephant isn’t that big. It’s actually small.
 
The six-season finals drought began in Johnny’s 14th season, Invasion, all the way up to his 19th season, WOTW2. J.B. hasn’t been to the finals because he’s at the back-end of his career. He’s been out of his prime for quite some time now. Should he be punished for this? No. In every professional sport, all-time greats eventually fade with time. Their all-time great placements aren’t affected by how they performed when they were a shell of their former selves in their fifteenth, sixteenth, seventeenth season. Kevin Garnett was averaging 6 points and 5 rebounds for the last five seasons of his career, and his team missed the playoffs every time. Do NBA fans use this to discredit his G.O.A.T. status? No. Kevin Garnett is still considered one of the five greatest power forwards of all-time. The latter years of his career are just better off forgotten, and fans reminisce on the times when he was at his consistent best. If anything, Kevin Garnett playing 21 seasons added to his legacy, because he was able to compete in the professional level for so long. Longevity goes a long way. Johnny Bananas’ 20 challenge seasons should be celebrated for competing at a high level and being a top player coming in every season regardless of the six-straight finals drought.
 
The once-existing, long living Bananas v. CT saga is the Challenge’s version of the Yankees v. Red Sox rivalry; Johnny is the Yankees.
 
Back in 2010-2015, Johnny Bananas and C.T. (when they were both in their absolute prime) main-evented every challenge they participated in. From Cutthroat to Free Agents, Bananas and C.T. went toe-to-toe against one another either right before the final or at the final.
 
In a series of five face-offs, Bananas came out on top by winning three to C.T.’s two. Cutthroat – C.T. backpacks Johnny and emasculates him completely (1-0 C.T.); Rivals – Johnny/Tyler beat C.T./Adam in T-Bone (even at 1-1); Exes – C.T. gasses out in Iceland final, Johnny comes from behind and wins (2-1 J.B.); Rivals II – CT wins Thailand final while Johnny’s stamina fails him (2-2); and Free Agents – Johnny beats C.T. in the last elimination and wins the final right after (J.B. 3-2).
 
You make the argument that the series between Bananas and C.T. is actually 2-2 since Adam was the reason C.T. lost T-Bone (and that’s a completely fair point). Even taking into account the 2-2 argument, J.B.’s 2 are still more prestigious than C.T.’s 2. Johnny’s Exes and FA wins against C.T. resulted in two championship victories. C.T.’s Cutthroat and Rivals II consists of only one championship and an amazing highlight. Even when you take into account that it’s the most amazing highlight ever taped in challenge history, championships hold more weight than highlights in determining one’s G.O.A.T. status. Plus C.T. didn’t get an individual championship out of this historic rivalry, Bananas did with Free Agents.
 
No matter how you slice it, Bananas clearly bested the Boston Robot, C.T. in a series of five main event competitions, and from a competition abilities standpoint, C.T. is probably the best ever. This is why I feel like Bananas coming out on top in the greatest rivalry of America’s Fifth Major Sport is J.B.’s greatest accomplishment ever and proved to me that he’s ahead of C.T. all-time by a small margin.
 
J.B.’s Overall Assessment.
 
Competitively speaking, Johnny’s never been an elite athlete like Alton, C.T., or Landon. Johnny’s just a regular athlete who’s well rounded at every facet of the game and practically has no weaknesses. Johnny’s ATG strategy is one of the greatest competitive traits in Challenge history as it’s helped him overcome stronger, faster opponents that were in his way of winning.
 
J.B.’s run from The Island to Free Agents is the most dominant run in Challenge history. In the span of 7 seasons (The Island, The Ruins, Cutthroat, Rivals, Exes, Rivals II, Free Agents), Johnny saw six finals and won five of them. On top of that, he also won six of seven elimination rounds. No other challenger has ever come close to this sort of run. It was just pure dominance.
 
I personally think Johnny’s 6 championships (a hat trick of pair seasons and one individual), him besting C.T. in competitions in their multi-season rivalry, and having the most dominant run ever in his absolute prime, makes him an automatic pick for the Challenge Mount Rushmore. The only question then becomes, where do you rank him? I guess it all depends on how heavily you factor his elimination record and six-season finals drought (which I thought I did a good job in lessening the impact of). The Banana Man is well deserving of spot #2, in my opinion.
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2020.07.07 14:00 futurepoet Top Ten Greatest Male Players in Challenge History - No. 3 - Jordan Wiseley

Honorable Mentions - Abram, Dan S., Jamie, Mike M., Theo V., Turbo, Wes
No. 10 - Alton Williams (Real World: Las Vegas)
No. 9 - Mark Long (Road Rules: USA - The First Adventure)
No. 8 - Darrell Taylor (Road Rules: Campus Crawl)
No. 7 - Derrick Kosinski (Road Rules: X-Treme)
No. 6 - Kenny Santucci (Fresh Meat)
No. 5 - Evan Starkman (Fresh Meat)
No. 4 - C.T. Tamburello (Real World: Paris)
No. 3 - Jordan Wiseley (Real World: Portland)
 
Rivals II Jordan lets us know he has a date with destiny.
 
Jordan was paired up with Marlon for his rookie season. They were the 3rd best team this season after CT/Wes and Frank/Johnny. Throughout the season, on a few occasions, other teams referred to them as “the rookies who are good at everything”.
 
Jordan/Marlon won one mission in the early stages of R2. Stumped, the solo mission that Jordan/Marlon won was based around intelligence and strategy. Jordan winning just the fourth mission into his Challenge career that involved wits against experienced opposition such as CT, Wes, and Johnny lets us know Jordan is someone to look out for.
 
Jordan/Marlon also become victorious in the last two male eliminations of the season against Leroy/Ty and Knight/Preston, to acquire a deserving position in the final challenge. They get third place in the finals due to Marlon holding them back because of his poor swimming and arriving to the elimination stage last.
 
Jordan bounces back from Sophomore Slump (Free Agents) with Exes II win.
 
Jordan’s second season, Free Agents, was an unmemorable experience. He performed poorly and didn’t live up to his expectations after having a phenomenal rookie season on Rivals II. Exes II is where we find out Jordan actually has enough bite to back up his humongous bark.
 
“The Wonder Twins” Jordan/Sarah won three missions (On Again Off Again, Wrecking Ball, Don’t Let Me Down) and thanks to T.J. letting us know who falls short of first every mission, we know that Jordan/Sarah got second place in three other missions (Open Arms, The Brush Off, and Are You The One?). They land in the top 2 for six out of ten missions.
 
Jordan/Sarah also won one of the final eliminations of the season. They beat Zach/Jonna where Jordan puts up his best single competitive performance yet (which I delve into further later in this assessment).
 
Jordan owned the Exes 2 final challenge. Jordan showed us he can do the following things: run forever without looking tired one bit, kayak (Leroy and Theresa struggled here), unscramble word puzzles, eat inhumane foods without looking bothered (Jay and Jenna quit because the eating phase was too much), and climb up mountains. Everyone besides Jordan showed signs of major fatigue or struggle in the final challenge, even his partner Sarah who kept holding back their pace multiple times. Jordan’s final challenge performance earned him his first championship.
 
Jordan’s political-social game is problematic, but he still somehow managed to win three times in six tries.
 
On Free Agents, had Jordan never volunteered himself into elimination against J.B., there’s a high chance he sees the final that season. Jordan was aligned with Zach, Reilly, and the most powerful female in the game, Laurel. He was in a comfortable position, but he couldn’t sit still. His ego took over because he wanted to prove a point to Bananas that he was better than him, and he failed miserably. However, this is only one of two times where his unideal political decision making has eliminated him from the game. In fact, Jordan’s unideal social-political game has gotten him to four of six finals and three career wins. Jordan’s social-political game and his winning success is best described as an anomaly.
 
On D30, although never explicitly mentioned, there was definitely some sort of pact between the top dog veterans in the house (Jordan, Bananas, CT, Derrick, and Leroy) early in the game. The only people who were being targeted the first few weeks were Cory, Hunter, and Nelson. Jordan had no business getting voted into the third elimination of D30, but his personality and actions rubbed people the wrong way. Early in the season, Jordan got into a rap battle with Jemmye and jokes about her having down syndrome. Just like you would expect, the house takes offense to this and sends him straight into the presidio. Luckily, Jordan’s competitive abilities allowed him to survive the elimination...and the rest of the season in which he eventually wins…
 
Jordan’s problematic political game becomes the center of attention again on Total Madness. If Bananas had greater mutual respect for Jordan, there’s no way Jordan would’ve got thrown to the wolves vs. Fessy in a game he didn’t stand a single chance in (Pole Wrestle). If Jordan wasn’t such an asshole to Wes in the bunker, then maybe, just maybe, Wes has enough human decency in him to spare him his livelihood. Jordan’s inability to handle house politics well with these two other time greats on Total Madness cost him any chance of ever winning that season.
 
Jordan’s All-Time Great Mental Strength.
 
Out of everyone in challenge history, is there anyone who’s more confident in their self-abilities than Jordan ever? The answer is no. Case and point: Jordan thought it would be a clever idea to take part in the draw and volunteer himself into an elimination against Johnny Bananas, who was a 4 time champ at the time of FA. When arriving to the elimination arena, the game was Wrecking Wall a.k.a. the only elimination Jordan was going to suffer a major disadvantage in due to having only one hand. Jordan could’ve had a change of heart, but nope, Jordan thought he actually could beat Bananas. Jordan continued on with his plan and flipped over all the cards and Bananas came out on top. At the time, we thought Jordan was delusional because it was just his second challenge and he had a quarter of the grand competitive resume he has built today. Here’s a hot take: If Bananas and Jordan were to replay that elimination game again, Jordan potentially wins. This time he doesn’t slip and climbs up the wall, no problems. The Jordan we know now has shown us that he’s capable of anything. Jordan is just that elite of a competitor. He’s 8-2 in eliminations for a reason.
 
Other times Jordan has volunteered into elimination, like the two times he volunteered to go in on War of the Worlds II, Jordan was mentally prepared and because of that, he prospered. There’s just something endearing about seeing Jordan be absolutely fearless of eliminations. Especially, because most other elite Challenge competitors do not share a similar mindset. Evan, for example, mentally breaks down when his name is called down into elimination. Evan has lost two eliminations because of weak mental preparedness (v. CT on the Duel, and v. CT/Adam in Rivals). Evan’s two elimination losses is concrete proof that having bad mental strength before and/or during an elimination can be the sole reason you lose it, whereas Jordan and his 8-2 record proves that having a indestructible mental strength and preparedness before the elimination gives you got a great shot at winning.
 
Three of Jordan’s eight elimination wins are because of his All-Time Great Speed and Quickness.
 
Jordan/Marlon eliminated Ty/Leroy in Last Chance. Last Chance was a physical team game where offensive players had to run towards the middle of a hall and ring the bell on the other side. Defensive players, positioned in the middle of hall, had to keep the opponents’ offensive player from reaching the bell on their side. Jordan/Marlon went into the elimination as underdogs considering Leroy/Ty had a collective size advantage, but Jordan’s speed/quickness helped them prevail. Here’s a play-by-play of that elimination: In the first round, offensive players Ty and Jordan crashed and met one another closer to Ty’s bell, but Jordan still got to his bell before Ty did. Jordan looked like he shot out of a rocket. He and Marlon got the first point. In the second round: Leroy captured Jordan and Ty got to the bell first. Leroy and Ty tied it up. In the third round: Marlon had Ty tied down to the floor right near the bell. All Leroy had to do was tackle Jordan to the floor to give Ty a fighting chance. Leroy tried to, but Jordan did a 360 spin move to get himself loose from Leroy and shot straight towards the bell scoring the second point to win the game for him and Marlon.
 
Jordan eliminated Swift in Looper (Free Agents). This actually ends up being one of the shortest eliminations ever, because Jordan’s quickness was too much for Swift to handle (what a paradox). Jordan ran around the two posts, reached and rang his bell in the matter of maybe 15 seconds. I’m not exaggerating here.
 
Jordan blew out Shane in Crazy 8 (Vendettas). Crazy 8 was a physical elimination game in which players had to race for a figure 8 shaped ring positioned in the center of the eliminator floor and bring it back to their side. It was a best of two-out-of-three wins. The game never turned physical. Why? Because, in both the first two rounds, Jordan got to the ring first. Then when he got possession of it, Shane couldn’t even put his hands on him. Jordan was too quick to even be touched.
 
Four of Jordan’s elimination wins are because he’s more smarter, more skilled, and more strategic than his opponents.
 
Jordan defeated Zach in Hammer It Home (Exes II), a game where teams had to use a sledge hammer to advance an eye beam from one end of a track to another, where a bell is located; first team to ring the bell with their beam won the elimination. Exes II Zach resembled Thor. Upon seeing this elimination, we all thought Zach was going to smoke Jordan, but we were wrong. It was evident that Challenge Thor had never ever done manual labor in his life. Jordan swung the hammer with perfect form. Zach’s form was sloppy and his hammer was slamming all over the place.
 
Jordan eliminated Josh in End of The Rope (WOTWII). I think we all have a fond memory of what happened in this one. It was an absolute clinic of strategy trumping size. In a game of tug of war, Jordan took out his bag of magic tricks and outsmarted the bigger Josh three out of three rounds to win. C.T., who was watching from the sidelines, went on to call it the most impressive elimination performance he’s ever seen in his fifteen plus years of doing the Challenge. I don’t disagree with him.
 
Jordan eliminated Theo in Under The Hammer (WOTWII). Jordan found himself in another sledgehammer elimination again. Theo didn’t resemble Thor, but Theo was 4-0 in eliminations up until this point and arguably Team U.K.’s best competitor, so Jordan had his work cut out for him. The goal of the Under The Hammer was to hammer 12 nails through concrete and smash the lightbulbs underneath; first player to smash all 12 lightbulbs won the elimination. When the elimination went underway, Theo got off to an early lead. He uses just his arms/shortens his swing, which seemed to work in the beginning, but his energy began to fade. Jordan’s technique of leveraging his entire arm and body for greater torque ended up becoming the winning strategy.
 
Jordan defeated Ammo in Striptease (D30), a blindfolded contest where players had to rip patches off their opponent to win. This elimination was a complete crapshoot and Jordan still somehow incorporated a brilliant strategy to win. Jordan played the better offense between him and Ammo by getting in back of him and wrestling him to the ground to grab patches off his uniform. On defense, Jordan did all types of crazy flips and rollovers. This defensive approach worked perfectly as Ammo struggled to locate Jordan’s body parts to yank patches off of him. Jordan demonstrated that he’s always strategically thinking, and used his wrestling background to elevate his chances of winning in a blindfold contest.
 
Jordan is hands down the second greatest swimmer in Challenge history, after Wes.
 
Jordan has a long history of ATG swimming mission performances (Swingers, On Again Off Again, Open Arms, Cryptic Crossbow, Hooked, and Puzzling Swim).
 
On Again Off Again and Open Arms were essentially the same type of mission. Both Exes II missions started off with being on a moving platform that’s on a zip line above water and pairs had to jump off the moving platform once it got to the bottom, and they had to swim around a buoy and back to shore, and then, finally ring a bell to stop their time; Fastest time won. Jordan came in first for On Again, Off Again beating the fastest male and female swimmers Wes/Theresa and came in 2nd place to Wes/Theresa on Open Arms, by just one second. Jordan’s swimming was on par with Wes, who is essentially Aquaman of the Challenge.
 
Jordan Wiseley’s Flu game.
 
Jordan’s opponents in the Dirty 30 finale were CT and Derrick. On paper, this is easily the most competitive individual male final ever (with Duel II coming in second). However, competitive was far from what occurred. It was nowhere near close. Jordan haters may argue CT and Derrick were out of their prime, and it’s for that reason they couldn’t keep up with Jordan’s rapid pace. While that is indeed true, Inferno 2 CT and Gauntlet 2 Derrick could’ve time travelled to the future and replaced themselves at the Dirty 30 finale, Jordan still would’ve came out ahead. Jordan’s a gazelle; Derrick and CT, even in their best days have never displayed long distance stamina equal to his.
 
What makes Jordan’s Dirty Thirty final performance even more phenomenal was the skydiving incident. Jordan crash landed at the beginning of the final, because his skydiving instructor was inept at his job and didn’t start up the parachute on time. As a result, the instructor broke his leg and Jordan almost did too. Jordan actually himself has said he suffered a leg fracture from it. Yet, he still went on to compete in the final and win. I do find it hard to believe that he did have a leg fracture (especially when you take into consideration the way he was running in the final). At the very least, he must’ve had cuts and bruises seeing how gruesome the landing was. Either way, Jordan gets a lot of credit here for putting on such a dominant performance after almost losing a whole leg or potentially his life.
 
Jordan’s Dirty Thirty finals performance, in my opinion, is the closest thing to Michael Jordan’s flu game in Challenge terms. Dirty Thirty is the longest, most drawn out, strenuous season there’s ever been with one of the more competitive male casts in challenge history; Jordan being crowned the winner of D30 while having a potential leg fracture in the finals further proves my statement earlier that Jordan’s mental strength is made of steel.
 
Jordan’s Legacy will continue to grow.
 
Jordan is an exception to the underlying theme in this list: all the all-time greats I mentioned are either retired (Alton, Mark, Theo, etc.) or on their last leg (Bananas and C.T.). Their legacies are completed. Jordan’s is still growing. Jordan, unlike Bananas and C.T., is in his absolute prime. He can still go for another 10 seasons and elevate his legacy even more than what it is today (and potentially climb up the list and solidify himself as the Challenge G.O.A.T.).
 
Jordan is one of the only three triple crown champions (team, pair, and individual win) in challenge history, along with Bananas and C.T. The triple crown title is the most cardinal achievement one can attain in the Challenges as it displays a competitors ability to work well within a team, communicate well as a partner, and be capable enough to win alone. It took C.T. 16 seasons to achieve the triple crown, it took Bananas 10 seasons, and Jordan did it in 5. Jordan is light years ahead.
 
Jordan is the richest male contestant ever. He’s won $833,000 in prize money. That’s 200k more than Johnny and 300k more than C.T., and he’s competed in one-fourth of the seasons that Bananas has done (5 in comparison to 20), and one-third of the challenges C.T. has done (16).
 
Jordan’s Overall Assessment.
 
Before WOTWII, I had Jordan as my fifth best all-time (behind Bananas, C.T., Evan, and Landon). His apex performance on WOTWII moved him up two spots into my Challenge Mount Rushmore. Jordan’s political/social game comes with it’s malfunctions, and at times it’s resulted in two dud performances (FA/TM), but it also doesn’t seem to stop him from winning. Jordan’s WOTWII was a horrible political showing, but he defied all odds against him by putting on elite competitive performances. In just a six season career, Jordan has won three Challenge championships in the most toughest era to ever win.
 
Competitively speaking, Jordan has ATG mental strength, strategy, swimming, long distance running, and speed/quickness. His only true weakness is hand-to-hand combat. I don’t think Jordan has racked up too many memorable mission performances in comparison to Bananas, C.T., and Landon, but he easily has the most impressive elimination performances out of the four. In a modern day final challenge, you can’t go wrong with either him or Landon as the best finals runner of that Mount Rushmore group.
 
The battle between Jordan and C.T. for No. 3 was close. But determining who was better at every component possible was my logic and reasoning for taking Jordan over C.T. C.T. was the better overall competitor in his prime, has better mission performances and a far stronger political/social game. Jordan has greater elimination performances, is the better finals runner, has a far greater winning percentage (and finals percentage), and his championships were more valuable (C.T.’s Rivals II > Jordan’s Exes II, Jordan’s Dirty Thirty > C.T.’s Invasions, and Jordan’s WOTWII > C.T.’s WOTWII).
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2020.07.07 02:08 futurepoet Top Ten Greatest Male Players in Challenge History - No. 4 - C.T. Tamburello

Honorable Mentions - Abram, Dan S., Jamie, Mike M., Theo V., Turbo, Wes
No. 10 - Alton Williams (Real World: Las Vegas)
No. 9 - Mark Long (Road Rules: USA - The First Adventure)
No. 8 - Darrell Taylor (Road Rules: Campus Crawl)
No. 7 - Derrick Kosinski (Road Rules: X-Treme)
No. 6 - Kenny Santucci (Fresh Meat)
No. 5 - Evan Starkman (Fresh Meat)
No. 4 - C.T. Tamburello (Real World: Paris)
 
C.T. carrying the Johnny Bananas backpack is the greatest highlight ever recorded in Challenge history.
 
Before the backpack moment, we hadn’t seen C.T. in three years. He was rumored to be forever banned after almost killing Adam King on the Duel II. On Cutthroat, when T.J. announced the heavy hitters twist and C.T. came walking out the dark, challenge fans all around the world were not prepared for what they were about to witness. C.T. was finally let out of his cage and Johnny Bananas became absolute prey.
 
If there were ever to be a logo for the Challenge, a visual image of the C.T.-Bananas backpack moment would be it. Picture this: Replace the Jerry West silhouette in the red and blue NBA logo with a white silhouette of C.T. mid power-walk and Bananas in the back of him imitating a backpack. Then, replace “NBA” with “MTV”. Now, you got your MTV Challenge logo. C.T. being at the front and center of a hypothetical challenge sports logo makes perfect sense considering C.T.’s athletic performances changed the landscape of the Challenge from a regular game show to the series becoming known as America’s Fifth Sport.
 
C.T. is the Peyton Manning of the Challenge.
 
Peyton Manning is the greatest regular-season quarterback in the history of the NFL. C.T. is the greatest regular-season competitor in the history of the Challenge.
 
Peyton Manning only has two Superbowls (and won his second one in his final season in the NFL, while being a shell of his former self). C.T. has three championships (and won his final one while being in his worst physical shape ever).
 
Both, Peyton Manning and C.T.’s regular-season career numbers lead you to believe that they should have had twice as much championships than what they currently have. However, their own blunders (C.T.’s boneheaded mistakes and gassing out right before the finish line on the Exes 2 final = Peyton’s choking) throughout their careers hold them back from reaching extreme success in the post-season.
 
To continue this comparison, Johnny Bananas is Tom Brady (6 championships). C.T. is the more natural athlete and talented challenger between him and Bananas, but Bananas has had the better legacy (Peyton’s the more talented QB between him and Brady, but Brady accomplished a greater legacy).
 
C.T. has seven of the greatest regular season competitive performances that didn’t result in championships.
 
The Inferno: In C.T.’s rookie debut, the higher end competition consisted of Abram, Darrell, Mike Mizanin, Shane and Timmy. C.T. won 4 life shields. C.T. led all the males in life shields and actually won more life shields than the higher end competition as one whole collective (Darrell, Mike Mizanin, and Timmy each won one life shield, totaling up to 3). C.T. was the best performer of the season as a rookie. He made the final challenge, but his Real World team lost to Road Rules in a close race.
 
Inferno II: C.T. was the life shield king. He racked up 6 life shields this season in one of the most competitive male casts to ever be assembled in Challenge history. C.T. led the season in life shields again, Landon came in 2nd with four, Mike in 3rd with three, and Derrick came in 4th with two. C.T. made the final, but he and the final remaining Bad Asses got blown out the water in a triathlon.
 
The Duel: C.T. won three missions and landed in the top 2 seven times. In C.T.’s third season, he was the second best competitor behind Evan, who won six missions (but half of them were due to having the superior partner in Jodi in comparison to C.T. having Diem). Despite being a top 2 performer, C.T. got disqualified against Brad in the final male duel and didn’t make it into the post-season.
 
Gauntlet III: C.T. was co-captain of one of the most dominant regular season teams ever, the G3 Veterans. C.T. was either the best or second best athlete on the team (along with Evan, the other team captain). C.T.’s performance in Piñata Pit (which I delve into later) proved what a freak of nature of a competitor C.T. was.
 
Rivals: C.T. managed to win two missions and landed in the top three overall six times with an average partner (Adam). Rivals C.T. was the scariest. The whole season was based around J.E.K. and friends trying to take him out, because he was such a force to be reckoned with. C.T. lost right before the final because of Adam’s performance in the T-Bone elimination.
 
Exes: C.T. and Diem won two out of eight missions, only second to Bananas and Camila’s three. C.T. and Diem made the final, but got second place. C.T. and Diem had the lead the whole final, but C.T. collapsed moments before the finish line.
 
Dirty Thirty: C.T. was competing in his 11th season and still putting up the best scoring numbers in one of the toughest male casts ever assembled. C.T. won 6 missions. That’s the most out of all males on Dirty Thirty (Not a single other player won 5, Hunter won 4, Nelson and Leroy won 3, and the rest have 2 or less). C.T. made the final on D30, but got third place because his gas tank can’t keep up with the other two finalists.
 
C.T.’s ATG Physical Strength, Aggression, and Athleticism is the most lethal combination in Challenge history.
 
If the Challenge were to ever have a Madden-esque video game, C.T.’s player rating regarding his athleticism and strength would look something like: STR: 99. SPE: 99. AGI: 99. A prime C.T. was a cheat code. The Bananas Backpack moment attests to this. Below are some other missions and eliminations where C.T.’s strength and athleticism proved to us he was of a different breed.
 
In Piñata Pit (G3), players from both teams had to jump in a mud pit, retrieve a ball, and return it to the starting line. The mission was played in rounds. Each round, there were fewer balls than there were players. Players were getting eliminated round-by-round. The game of Piñata Pit came down to the two best players on each team, Veteran C.T. and Rookie Derek McCray. You’re probably reading this wondering who Derek McCray is. I don’t blame you. Let me give you some background information on him. The moment Derek M. first stepped into the Challenge, he was immediately viewed as a competition threat, even with no performance log to back for it. Derek M. came into the Gauntlet 3 with instant respect, based off the fact that he had been recruited by more than 200 colleges for his football talent. Considering Piñata Pit contained all the aspects of a game of football: running, tackling, stripping a ball away from an opponent, and taking it to the end zone, the average betting man would’ve bet on Derek to score and win it for the Rookies. Challenge fans, however, knew to bet differently. When the final round went underway, Derek reached the ball first, but C.T. was inches behind Derek as he gained possession of the ball. C.T. then proceeded to slam him to the ground effortlessly and Derek literally yelped as he was getting manhandled. C.T, with what looks like half an effort, popped the ball out of Derek’s arms and took it back to the end zone to win it for the Veterans. In Piñata Pit, C.T. basically took the manhood out of a Division 1 athlete.
 
In the T-Bone elimination (Rivals), C.T.’s “Choo! Choo!” train almost killed Johnny and Tyler. It’s the biggest near death experience in Challenge history. I have a theory: We haven’t seen C.T. in a physical combat elimination ever since for good reason. I’m positive that’s a calculated decision by the Challenge Gods, not one that’s left up to chance.
 
C.T. faced off against Leroy in Wrecking Wall (FA), an elimination where both players had to punch through a 30-foot dry wall to make holes to climb up until they were able to reach the bell at the top. First player to ring the bell won. Leroy is an elimination beast; he’s won 8 career eliminations because of his physical strength and athleticism alone. He was no match for C.T. though. Anyone who watched the Duel 2, knows C.T.’s punching power is nothing to be played with. His punching power knocked out a whole wall on that season.
 
In the Flying Leap mission (Duel), players, one at a time, had to jump back and forth from one end of a platform to another that was suspended from a crane 20 feet above water. Numerous flags were hanging from poles located on both sides of the platform. Players had to grab as many flags as possible within a three-minute time limit; Whoever collected the most flags won. C.T. won Flying Leap with flying colors. He was the only male to not land on his body when jumping or not use any running momentum to assist his jumping sequences. C.T. instead showed us his athletic prowess, by setting his feet, loading his hips, exploding and jumping across, landing on his feet every time. Everyone on the sidelines watched in awe. C.T. made it look like a walk in the park.
 
C.T.’s All-Time Great Intelligence.
 
C.T. is the perfect two-way player. He not only has the brawn, but he has the brain as well. His long history of solving puzzles makes him an ATG intelligent male player. Below are some of C.T.’s greatest moments in which he had to put his brain to work.
 
C.T. eliminated Evan in Ascender (Duel), an elimination game in which players had to climb up a rope, pull a handle at the top of the rope, to release a basket containing puzzle pieces. The players then had to climb back down the rope to assemble a tiling puzzle similar to a tangram. C.T versus Evan was the second last male elimination on the original Duel. Up to that point, Evan was the clear #1 best competitor of the season and C.T. was the second. The two best players were going mano a mano. Evan got raddled under the stage lights (got caught trying to cheat), and the brain of the cold blooded killer, C.T. solved the tangram with ease.
 
In the Rivals 2 final, C.T. completed the puzzle checkpoint in a flash that Johnny/Frank fell behind in. Upon seeing the puzzle, C.T. straightaway figured it out because the puzzle was one that he played when he was hungover at a breakfast country club.
 
In the Final Redemption Challenge on D30, players had to read a code that provided a combination to a lock that contained puzzle pieces. The first two players to retrieve and complete their puzzle would return to the game, while the rest were eliminated. C.T.’s competition in this challenge was Dario, Jordan, Leroy, and Bananas. C.T. was the first male to successfully figure out the code and complete his puzzle, and re-entered the game as a result.
 
C.T. eliminated Darrell in Knot So Fast (Invasion). It was the last champions elimination of the season. The grandest stage of them all was set and the two all-time great champions had to rely on their strategical intelligence to win this one. Darrell put up a good fighting effort in trying to undo C.T.’s knot, but it looked like a physically impossible task. It actually was. According to Darrell on Challenge Mania, C.T.’s knots were so tight that production had to cut them off with machetes after the elimination was over. C.T. broke the Knot So Fast elimination. That’s how intelligent C.T.’s strategy was. The elimination win versus Darrell gave C.T. a spot in the finals, where he faced off against underdogs Cory and Nelson, who were fifteen years younger and in the athletic prime of their lives. In the final challenge, C.T. still managed to acquire his second season win and proved to the rest of the Challenge world that the underdogs were no match for the champion of champions.
 
C.T. has the All-Time Greatest Eating Abilities.
 
Eating is such an important trait to have in the challenge. It’s often identified as the most difficult portion of the final challenge each season. Players hate it. We’ve actually seen players quit in the final before because they couldn’t stomach eating disgusting things. We’ve seen C.T. devour all types of disgusting things without looking fazed in the slightest, that makes you question whether or not he has taste buds.
 
Remember the pickled fish soup in the Rivals 2 final? C.T. drank his like he was chugging a beer, while everyone around him was vomiting all over the place. Wes couldn’t bother to even taste his drink, so C.T. chugged it down for him.
 
In the Exes 2 final, C.T. ate the deer head and sheep blood as if it was everyday dinner. When he finished his plate, C.T. decided to go for seconds and helped Diem finish up her plate as well.
 
C.T.’s eating abilities are inhumane. Not only is C.T. known for downing disgusting foods in final challenges as if it were nothing, but he’s also known for winning regular season competitions where you had to eat a ridiculous amount of food (Toss Your Cookies v. Shane, eating the entire birthday cake on Race to the Altar in Exes).
 
C.T.’s first championship and third championships (Rivals II and WOTWII) were social-political clinics.
 
C.T. played his first eight seasons without winning the big one. It wasn’t until Rivals II, his ninth season, where he finally got his first challenge gold medal. As usual, C.T. crushed it on the field, but off the field, in the Challenge house, he played one of the best political-social games I had ever seen. On Rivals II, the opposite sex had control over the votes on male elimination days. C.T. was wooing all the girls, and they thought they were going to be apart of the next love big story on the Challenge. C.T. was never voted in because at least one player within four of the female teams had a fling with C.T. or were falling heads over heel for him on Rivals 2 (Anastasia, Cooke, Diem, and Nany).
 
On War of the Worlds II, C.T. was a member of the U.K. Team. He was apart of Cara’s Cult/The Royal Family. The physical shape C.T. was in this season was his worst ever, so him not ever being considered for elimination by his own team is mind blogging. C.T.’s social game was on a whole another level this season. My favorite C.T. moment on WOTWII is when he turncoats on Cara’s Cult right before the final and saves Tori from elimination to strengthen U.K.’s team for the final. C.T.’s political-social finesse on WOTWII rightfully earned him his third championship.
 
C.T.’s social-political skill, in general, deserves more recognition. Every time I hear people talk about C.T.’s eliteness, people only bring up the competition juggernaut and not the social-political mightiness he’s established over the course of his sixteen season career.
 
C.T. has only done three less seasons than Johnny Bananas, but he’s been in 11 less eliminations. Other than the first Rivals, I don’t recall there being a time where he wasn’t at the top of social structures. He has a whole catalogue of seasons where he was either pulling strings from the top or aligning with the biggest playmakers that were ones doing the pulling (i.e: Inferno 2 – CT was in a four person alliance with Derrick/Brad/Darrell where there duties were to not nominate each other in the inferno selections; The Duel – CT/Evan/Derrick/Brad each were paired with the best athletic girls and controlled the chain selections; Exes 2 – in an alliance with Mark/Robin, Johnny/Camila, and DunbaPaula that ran the game till the very end).
 
C.T. made history twice on Invasion and War of the Worlds II.
 
C.T. won his second championship 22 seasons after his rookie season. He debuted on the original Inferno, which took place in 2004, and won Invasion of the Champions in 2017. That’s a span of 13 years. C.T.’s Invasion win broke the previous record of the longest span between a rookie debut and championship win, that was held by Johnny Bananas. J.B. won his sixth championship 16 seasons after his rookie season. He debuted on the original Duel, which aired in 2006, and won Rivals 3 in 2016 (a 10 year span).
 
C.T.’s new breaking record was broken again by none other than C.T, just a few seasons later. C.T. won War of the Worlds 2, which took place 27 seasons after the Inferno, and 15 years later.
 
C.T.’s Overall Assessment.
 
If you read up until this point, I’m guessing a lot of you probably refuse to agree with my opinion of C.T. being the fourth greatest male challenger ever. Here’s my argument: C.T. is the greatest Challenge talent ever, but he doesn’t have the greatest legacy. Like mentioned earlier, he’s the Peyton Manning of the Challenge and I don’t consider Peyton Manning the #1 G.O.A.T. of Football (Jerry Rice, Jim Brown, and Tom Brady fit that bill better). In my eyes, Bananas, Jordan, and Landon are those three guys. The combination of their talent, winning percentage, and accomplishments fair just slightly better than C.T’s.
 
C.T. has just three championships in a sixteen season career. The rest of my top three have won just as much in a lot lesser time (Jordan, Landon) or doubled his wins in the same type of lengthy career (Bananas). C.T.’s temper and poor decision making tossed three years of his absolute prime down the drain (Inferno III, Gauntlet III, Duel II) and his inability to perform in the clutch tossed another year (Exes). That’s five seasons where the ultimate competitor, C.T., missed out on championships.
 
On the Inferno III, C.T. is cast on the Bad Asses; He was the best player on the cast, but he gets sent home the first night in South Africa because he punches Davis. C.T. would’ve been a lock for the final this season, he threw another potential championship out the window.
 
In the Gauntlet 3 final challenge, Big Easy cost C.T. and all the other final remaining veterans a championship win. You’re probably confused as to how this is C.T.’s fault, but he actually had a major hand in letting Big Easy ride to the final. If you go back to the first gauntlet deliberation where Johnny got sent in against Evan, Johnny plead to the rest of the Veteran males that Big Easy should have to go in, because he was going to lose them a final. C.T., who was the leader of the team, didn’t buy into Johnny’s plea; He had personal dislike towards Johnny and his reason for not throwing Big Easy in was because he loved partying with him. What’s the logic in that? C.T., the whole season was preaching about “trimming the fat” (getting rid of the girls on their team) and never worrying about Easy once was a horrific example of how to play a winning game. Prime C.T. was always finding a way to be the author of his own demise.
 
On the Duel 2, C.T. went into cannibalism mode. C.T. would’ve legitimately smashed Adam’s head and ate Adam’s head if it wasn’t for like thirty cast and production crew members successfully capturing him (and then tranquilizing him and putting him in his cage). There’s no guaranteeing C.T. would’ve won the D2, since the top crop of males this season was stacked. But this is an absolute peak C.T. we’re talking about, who’s in contention for the best men’s competitor all-time, so a championship victory is never out of the question.
 
In the Exes final, C.T./Diem lead the whole way until the final run up the mountain. Right before the finish line, C.T.’s tank ran out of gas (mirroring Peyton’s ability to choke in the playoffs) and he delayed winning his first championship for even longer.
 
C.T.’s competitive abilities (ATG physical strength, aggression, athleticism, intelligence, and eating) and his championship success in his career’s second half are sufficient enough to get him into the Challenge Mount Rushmore, but the four seasons he tossed down the drain in the first half of his career are a little too detrimental to have him in the top trinity. I think about it like this: Would I consider drafting Prime C.T. (Inferno - Free Agents) as my first pick when constructing a team in an-all time draft? Nope. He, was easily #1 in terms of competitive talent, but he was a complete hothead with bad decision making and only won one championship in ten seasons. Would I consider drafting Dadbod C.T. (Invasion - Total Madness) number one? Not at all. He’s won two championships in six seasons, with a phenomenal social-political game, but his competitive abilities are half of what they were before. Every version of C.T. comes with a small albatross that keeps him from having top three legacy.
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2020.07.03 13:45 futurepoet Top Ten Greatest Male Players in Challenge History - No. 5 - Evan Starkman

Honorable Mentions - Abram, Brad, Dan S., Jamie, Mike M., Theo V., Turbo, Wes
No. 10 - Alton Williams (Real World: Las Vegas)
No. 9 - Mark Long (Road Rules: USA - The First Adventure)
No. 8 - Darrell Taylor (Road Rules: Campus Crawl)
No. 7 - Derrick Kosinski (Road Rules: X-Treme)
No. 6 - Kenny Santucci (Fresh Meat)
No. 5 - Evan Starkman (Fresh Meat)
 
Fresh Meat.
 
Evan’s inception to the Challenge was on Fresh Meat, where he became the first draft pick selected by the queen of politics, Coral. Despite being new to the Challenge scene, Evan went on to be the best male performer of the regular season. He outperformed established veterans and elite athletes in Derrick, Darrell, Shane, and Theo Von. Coral was never known for being a great athlete (she was slightly above average in competitions), but her and Evan went on to win five of the first six missions on Fresh Meat. Evan’s competitive performances led Coral to think “If God had another son, it would be Evan”.
 
The 5 missions Coral/Evan won showed how well-rounded and talented of a competitor Evan was. (1) Stuck On Me: Players were connected to their partners, back-to-back, by a harness, on a 25-foot narrow balance beam that was hanging from the rooftop of a building that was 80 stories tall and 1100 feet above the ground. Each team had to walk toward a white line at the end of the beam, then do a full 360° turn, and walk back to the beginning of the beam. Stuck On Me is the highest challenge to ever take place in Challenge history. There’s never been another mission to test one’s fear of heights like Stuck on Me, and Evan conquered that fear better than anyone. (2) Bush Whacked: Tested balance. Pairs stood on the top of tree stumps with a hanging medicine ball in the center, that they had use to knock each other off. Evan/Coral were the last team standing. (3) Hang On: Upper Body Strength. Male players hung upside down from leg harnesses, and had to hang onto their female partners by using just their arms. Evan hung onto Coral the longest (49.72 sec.), Theo hung onto Chanda for 49.30 sec., Shane/Linette - 43 sec., Derrick/Diem - 42 sec., and Darrell/Aviv - 34 seconds. (4) Climber’s Paradise: Communication and agility. Each team had to ascend up a 25-foot climbing wall, by using pegs of different shapes and colors. Each player had to carry the pegs up, and communicate with each other in order to determine the peg shapes necessary to ascend the wall. Evan/Coral’s time was 5:33, Shane/Linette - 5:43, Derrick/Diem - 6:17, Theo/Chanda - 6:24, and Darrell/Aviv - 7:49. (5) Rollin’ In Oats: Strategy. Two tubs of rolled oats were located across a grass field from corresponding deposit tubs. Players from each team had to smother their bodies with oatmeal, then sprint toward their designated deposit tubs, and scrape off the oatmeal from their bodies into the tubs. Each team went back and forth for a two-minute period, trying to deposit as much oatmeal into their tubs as possible. Evan/Coral annihilated the competition with 23.6 lbs of oatmeal. Shane/Linette transferred over 14.6 lbs, Darrell/Aviv - 9.2 lbs, Derrick/Diem - 8.8 lbs, and Theo/Chanda - 8.4 lbs (Evan tripled Derrick and Theo’s score).
 
Although Evan/Coral won five missions, their time was cut short due to injuries (after production found out Evan was performing with a hernia for a majority of the season). Evan/Coral would’ve been the favorites to win the entire Challenge had they never been kicked off for precautionary measures. They were the most dominant pair all season long and it wasn’t really close. They won five of ten missions they competed in. Their 50% win rate on Fresh Meat is the second highest mission winning percentage in pairs history. The highest percentage (55) belongs to Kenny/Laurel (who won five of 9 missions on Fresh Meat II).
 
The Duel.
 
Evan’s sophomore season, The Duel, was a mirror of his rookie season, Fresh Meat. He was again, the MVP of regular season missions (outperforming the top level opposition of C.T., Wes, Brad, and Derrick). But in the endgame, even as the number one mission performer of the season, he had to clock out right before the final (only this time this it wasn’t due to injuries, but a competitive weakness).
 
Evan won six of thirteen missions he competed in on the Duel (46%). That’s one incredible statistic. C.T. only won 3 of 15 (20%), Wes - 2 of 15 (13%), Derrick - 1 of 9 (11%), Brad - 1 of 15 (6%). Evan’s well-rounded skill and athletic ability were best displayed in the three following missions he won: (1) Pole Dance: Evan outpaced a prime Wes and C.T. in a race through a sand dune course. Evan’s stamina and long distance running proved to be lethal. (2) Stacking Stairs: Played in male/female teams, each team had to create an ascending (albeit unstable) staircase by transferring wooden crates toward the base of their designated flags that were hanging from a ceiling. Evan had the best strategy out of all the males who competed in Stacking Stairs, that allowed Jodi to reach the flag at the top to give them the win. (3) Ice Breakers: Each player had to race toward a pile of oversized ice blocks, retrieve one ice block at a time, then race toward their designated tables, and use a sledge hammer to smash as much ice as possible through the grates (while wearing protective goggles and gloves), in which the containers below filled with the smashed ice. The player whose container weighed the most after five minutes won the mission. Evan’s work ethic in a mission requiring physical labor was great as he came out on top with 19.60 lbs. of ice. Rest of the field: Wes - 18.55 lbs., C.T. 16.00 lbs., and Brad - 15.05 lbs.
 
In terms of social game and politics, for a second time player, Evan’s game on the Duel deserves two thumbs up. After three of the four Key West kids were sent home in the first three duels of the season, all of the Fresh Meat kids (Kenny, Casey, Big Easy) found themselves at the bottom end of every chain selection for the rest of the first half of the season. Evan was the only Fresh Meat kid, who was not a victim of this. In fact, he was always at the very top of the chain getting picked by the best female player of the game, Jodi, as if he was a Road Rules: X-Treme cast member. While one may argue Evan’s competitive abilities is the whole reason for that, I argue that it was half. The Duel wasn’t produced in the Golden era (competitions = social positioning). Post-Gauntlet II, players needed established alliances and a strong political game to survive regardless of how great they were at competitions. In hindsight, Evan being apart of the top of social structures in just his second season doesn’t really come as too much of a surprise, considering he had been taught the political ropes from Coral in his rookie season.
 
Evan, on the Duel, did have a political misstep however right at the end game. His alliance with Wes where he agreed to take out C.T. if Wes got rid of Brad and Derrick would’ve been received a whole lot better had he actually not called out C.T. in the second to last male Duel. Or had he actually beaten him and Wes would’ve gone in to face Brad in the final male Duel like he promised. The truth of the matter is: Evan could’ve called out the less threatening opponent in Brad, because Wes had not completed his side of the deal and there was no guaranteeing he was going to. It’s for this reason that Evan experienced buyer’s remorse after choosing to face C.T in a one-on-one elimination. He knew his fate was signed, sealed, and delivered. Because it was only Evan’s second time playing, I don’t hold it against him too much (especially when you take into account that Evan’s political powers become much greater in the second half of his career).
 
Evan’s elimination versus C.T. is where “The Son of God” label Coral gave to Evan loses some of it’s luster. As a competitor, his abilities were flawless up until then. Evan was scared of having to see the elimination floor against C.T., so he attempted to cheat by drawing the shapes of the puzzles (from the elimination game they were playing, Ascender) on his hand. Right before the elimination took place, Evan was called out by T.J., had to erase the drawings, and still somehow lost after having plenty of time to memorize all the puzzles of Ascender. Evan showed a large weakness of maintaining composure in eliminations, and it’s a competitive hole in his game that would go on to appear more later in his career.
 
Although Evan left the Duel on a bad note and a 0-1 elimination record, his overall Duel performance still deserves high praise. Here’s a list of the following records that Evan broke after his Duel exit: (1) Evan became just the third male in Challenge history to be the MVP of regular season missions in his first two seasons (along with C.T. and Theo Von). (2) Evan is the only player in Challenge history to ever win four straight individual missions. (3) Evan is the only player to ever accomplish a winning streak of three missions in both an individual and pair season.
 
Gauntlet III.
 
In Evan’s third season, he was apart of a dominant Veterans team. Evan was seen as one of the two leaders within his team (along with C.T.). The team huddles before every competition is the proof to this. The season was too team-oriented to determine where Evan ranked in terms of mission performances. However, he was still in the same exact athletic shape he had been on Fresh Meat/The Duel. This by default, made him at the very least, a top two guy on the whole challenge (with C.T.).
 
Evan’s biggest highlight on the Gauntlet III is when he was voted into the Gauntlet by the Rookies team. He faced Johnny in Sliders, his second puzzle elimination. This time he didn’t cheat and maintained better composure (mainly because he had C.T. and Coral in the sidelines helping him solve the sliding puzzle, while Johnny’s sideline coach was Casey Cooper). Evan won his first ever elimination, and you can probably give credit to both his intelligence and social game on this one.
 
The Duel II.
 
Missions: The Duel II is the first time we ever seen Evan not be the number one or two guy. He was the third best mission performer of the season (behind Landon and Mark Long). Landon won five missions, while Mark and Evan won two apiece. Evan won a spelling bee heights challenge (Spelling Air) and a competition that dwindled down to politics (Last Man Standing).
 
Eliminations: This was the greatest elimination-side we have ever seen out of Evan. The Duel is where challengers either live or die and Evan’s name was called into the Duel three times and he walked out alive all three times. The opponents he was victorious against (Davis, Nehemiah, Derek) weren’t Challenge superstars by any means, but they were far from pushovers. Davis had a solid rookie season on Inferno III, Nehemiah was an extremely underrated athlete, and Derek had a D1 collegiate football background. What’s probably most impressive from Evan’s three Duel wins is that he couldn’t use his most special traits (physicality and athleticism) to defeat his opponents, and instead had to rely on intelligence twice (Spot On) and endurance (Elevator). After the Duel II, Evan established ATG intelligence to add to his ATG athleticism and physical strength. It was after this season, that Evan also locked up three elimination wins that were strictly based around solving a puzzle (no other male performer has ever gone to accomplish this same exact feat).
 
Politics/Social Game: Evan was in an alliance with all the power players of the game: Brad, Mark, Landon, M.J., Aneesa, Tori, Diem, Brittini, and Rachel. He was always one of the first names selected in “the list”. Evan found himself in troubled waters early in the game because his partner within the list, Paula, aborted mission of saving M.J. and chose to save her love interest outside the power alliance, Dunbar, instead. This made the alliance grow skeptical of Evan, so Evan does what a savvy politician does best and decides to cut ties with Paula for the rest of the season. Evan’s executive decision to avoid “The Paula plague” put him in good terms again with the power alliance. Although Evan was called into the Duel two times purely because outsiders of the alliance loathed the way he played the game, he still managed to survive all the way until the very end.
 
Evan’s finest political moment of the season goes down in the F4 twist where T.J. walked into the Duel II house to let Brad, Evan, Landon, and Mark know that the guys need to vote someone into one last male Duel right before the final challenge. The guys all begin to deliberate about the different ways they can vote and Landon suggests a closed vote of writing names into a piece of paper. As everyone agrees, you can already see the wheels in Evan’s head beginning to turn. Right after Landon left the room to retrieve a pen and paper, Evan looks at Brad and Mark and signals them to vote Landon. As they agree to the plan, the episode follows with the following Evan confessional: “What a gentleman you are Landon, thank you for getting the pen and paper. You were gone long enough just for us to decide to throw you in the Duel”. Evan’s move here is an example of how he was always two steps ahead of other elite competitors, who lacked a political conscious. I see a lot of people argue that Landon was going in regardless if he left the room or not, but I disagree. Mark embodied Golden era politics; He was known for basing his decisions off of performance (he could’ve voted Brad since he was the only one without a mission win). Mark was also known for sacrificing his game for alliance members (Sexes II, Exes) and wanting to volunteer himself to keep peace within the alliance alive (last male deliberation of Gauntlet II). If shady politician Evan was never there to signal Landon, Mark might’ve just voted himself in or voted Brad in and Landon would’ve went on to win the Duel II (the final would’ve been a breeze for him).
 
By politically taking Landon out the final picture, Evan attained his first championship on the Duel II by outperforming Brad and Mark in the final challenge. In terms of every individual winning seasons in Challenge history, I’d put Evan’s Duel II as the fourth best (behind Turbo’s WOTW1, Bananas’ Free Agents, and Wes’ Duel. Evan’s Duel II ranks above Jordan’s Dirty Thirty and C.T.’s Invasion).
 
The Ruins.
 
Competitions: On the Ruins, Evan was the best male competitor of the season and the leader of a stacked Champions team, who went on to win 8 of 9 regular season missions. Evan’s two greatest competitive displays this season are: (1) Block Party: In this mission, two guys and two girls from each team had to wrap their bodies around a pole. The remaining players from each team then needed to pull the other team's players off the pole and drag them back to the starting area to eliminate them. When a player was eliminated, they were able join their teammates in trying to pull the opposing team's players from the pole. Once the opposing team's four players wrapped around the pole were eliminated, the other team was able to then begin carrying cinder blocks to the pole to build steps high enough to ring the gong. The first team to ring their gong would win the mission. Evan, Veronica, Cohutta, and Kelly Anne were the two guys and two girls that tried to fight away the opposing players from dragging them to the starting area. After non-stop physical action, the men champions were able to capture Cohutta, the women champions captured Kelly Anne, the Challengers’ women captured Veronica, but the Challengers’ men had no answer for “The Canadian Moose” Evan. Brad, Cohutta, and Dunbar couldn’t budge Evan off the pole the whole entire challenge. The rest of the Challengers team never even got to start the second part of the challenge (building the cinder blocks to reach the gong), because the male challengers never got close to dragging Evan’s body to the starting line. Here’s what Evan had to say about Block Party: “This is what we do in Canada for fun. We walk into the woods and hug trees. There’s no chance in hell I’m leaving this pole”. Evan taking three men all by himself in a mission where everything was no holds barred and essentially winning the mission for his entire champions team attests to his ATG physical strength. (2) The last stage of the final challenge: The Ruins final came down to one last puzzle that needed to be completed in order for the Challengers or Champs to advance to the finish line. Here’s what Evan had to say as they come across the final puzzle checkpoint: “Anytime there’s a puzzle, you can count on this. Kenny, useless. Derrick, more than useless. Johnny’s so tired from the race, he’s puking on the sidelines. This is a moment that can define the rest of our lives. If [Sarah and Kelly Anne] figure out the puzzle, they win”. The pressure was on, and Evan’s ATG intelligence delivered (along with the help of Susie); He was able to solve the puzzle faster than Sarah and Kelly Anne without the help of any of his men teammates. Evan’s performance in the Ruins final not only earned him a second championship, but proved why he was the leader of his Champions team and the most elite competitor of the season altogether.
 
Politics/Social Game: Evan never saw an elimination on the Ruins because he was a political overlord. Not only was he at the helm of J.E.K.D. (the most powerful alliance in the game), but he also had side alliances with Susie and Veronica, whom were essentially the most influential voices on the female side. Kenny/Evan went into deliberation every single time together to protect themselves at all costs. Evan’s political game was at such an elite level that he even had Darrell, a four-time champion with a historically great social game, volunteer into elimination twice, because he didn’t have the numbers on his side. Had Darrell never got kicked out the game, there’s a high possibility Darrell would’ve went on to see the Ruins a third time or Johnny would’ve been thrown in for a second time (not a shot in hell was Evan going in).
 
Rivals.
 
The original Rivals had a political theme of J.E.K. vs. CT, so Evan was in the majority alliance. The only problem is he showed up “pregnant” this season. It’s by far the worst competitive showing in Evan’s career. For the first time ever, he was outside the top 5 male performers of the season and was the weaker competitor in his partnership with Nehemiah, who’s always been nothing more than a middle card talent. Evan’s falloff as a competitor is best exemplified in the Rail Slide elimination, where he and Nehemiah lose to CT/Adam. Evan showing up to Rivals out of shape and his long-existing inability to keep his cool in eliminations joined forces and created Evan’s most disappointing performance ever. It was at that point, when Challenge fans all around the world, came to accept the fact that Evan’s Challenge days were over.
 
Evan’s Overall Assessment.
 
Evan on the Fresh Meat and Duel is up there as one of the best pure athletes in Challenge history. FM/Duel Evan would be one of the most difficult characters to unlock in a Challenge video game. The only unlockable characters that’d be harder to gain access to would be: G2 Alton, D2/FM2 Landon, and Inferno I/II C.T.
 
Evan proving himself to be a competitive juggernaut early in his career allowed him to quarterback some of the most dominant regular season teams in Challenge history (Gauntlet III’s Veterans and Ruins’ Champions). It speaks great volumes when Challenge Hall of Famers such as Brad, Darrell, Derrick, Johnny, and Kenny all referred over to Evan when it came to performing on the playing field.
 
Politically/socially speaking, I’d have Evan as the second best all-time behind Kenny. Evan’s political game was louder and attracted more attention, which made him more vulnerable to attacks from the bottom (ex. Davis and Nehemiah calling him into the Duel). Later in Evan’s career, when his competitive abilities regressed a little (below the super elite rank of Landon and Mark), his masterful political game came in clutch and won him a championship on the Duel II.
 
Evan’s legacy is fifth best all-time (behind Bananas, C.T., Jordan, and Landon). He falls one spot short of my Mount Rushmore, but meets the requirements of a Challenge Dream Team starting player. He has ATG physical strength, athleticism, intelligence, leadership and is well-rounded in just about every other area. His only big weakness is mental strength in eliminations. Even in some of his elimination wins (Davis, Nehemiah), he was mentally all over the place and could not keep himself concentrated. Evan’s lucky he never had to face an elite competitor in elimination before (Johnny on G3 was far from elite). That’s one mental image I can’t see going too well. Although the combination of Evan’s career and abilities have been mostly great, him being afraid of his own elimination shadow (meanwhile every other competitive great mainly has nerves of steel when it comes to elimination rounds) and having that Rivals showing in a 6-season career keeps Evan outside of the top four.
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2020.06.26 13:42 futurepoet Top Ten Greatest Male Players in Challenge History - No. 6 - Kenny Santucci

Honorable Mentions Pt. 1 - Wes, Jamie Murray, Brad
Honorable Mentions Pt. 2 - Theo, Dan, Abram, The Miz, Turbo
No. 10 - Alton Williams (Real a World: Las Vegas)
No. 9 - Mark Long (Road Rules: USA - The First Adventure)
No. 8 - Darrell Taylor (Road Rules: Campus Crawl)
No. 7 - Derrick Kosinski (Road Rules: X-Treme)
No. 6 - Kenny Santucci (Fresh Meat)
 
Kenny, the 3-time challenge champion, has been to 7 final challenges in his eight season career.
 
Kenny’s 87.5% success rate of seeing the final challenge with that many seasons in his career is a thing of beauty. To give you some context as to how beautiful this statistic is, take a look at how successful every other Challenge Titan we’ve ever known has reached the final in their careers: Wes has reached the finals 5 out of 13 times (35%), Brad - 4/10 (40%), Johnny - 8/19 (42%), Abram - 4/9 (44%), C.T. - 8/17 (47%), Derrick - 5/10 (50%), Darrell - 4/8 (50%), Mark - 3/5 (60%), Jordan - 4/6 (66%), Alton - 3/4 (75%), Landon - 3/4 (75%), Theo Von - 3/4 (75%), and Mike Mizanin - 4/5 (80%). Kenny leads all of them with the highest percentage.
 
Another precious feature of this statistic is that Kenny has managed to reach three more finals than Wes with five less attempts, and was one final short of tying C.T. and Bananas current finals record (and C.T. has had nine more seasons under his belt, and Johnny has had 11 more).
 
Competitions.
 
Competitively speaking, Kenny is at the very bottom when it comes to the Hall of Fame names mentioned above. He was always too inconsistent in Challenge missions and was mediocre in a lot of areas (such as agility, climbing, and balance) to ever be considered an elite competitor. If you were to rank the entire men’s division of 160 something males to ever lace them up in the aspect of strict competition, Kenny would barely scrape in by in a tournament of the 64 best. He’d be an ideal 12th seed. In NCAA March Madness tradition, the 12 seed always upsets the 5 seed at least once, every year. Kenny is that type of 12 seed (because although he doesn’t rank up there with the competitive elites, there are a lot of upsides to his performance on the field that make him capable of a big win).
 
Competitive Upside #1: Kenny’s Clutch Gene.
 
Someone who’s considered slightly above average like Kenny shouldn’t have a 5-1 elimination record (elite competitors Alton and Landon are 5-1), but he does. Why? Because every time Kenny was in the danger zone of going home, his competitive drive shifted into fourth gear.
 
Although the columns of winners and losers in Fresh Meat I exiles are basically useless in a competitor’s bragging rights, Kenny’s performance in his exile vs. Theo/Chanda deserves recognition. Theo Von (a competitive elite) was dazed and confused to every brain teasing puzzle he came across, whereas Kenny was the one to solve the final puzzle right before the finish line that gave him and Tina the win. Kenny/Tina had 22 less lbs. of luggage to carry than Theo/Chanda (I believe that’s the smallest differential between exile opponents the whole season). Regardless of the small weight advantage, you can’t take away from the fact that Kenny’s intelligence had an upset performance on the brains of Theo Von. The 12th seed came out on top over the elite 5th seed.
 
There are two other eliminations that Kenny did his absolute best in when the pressure was on: (1) FM2 exile vs. Vinny/Sarah: It was just second elimination of the season and Kenny/Laurel were sent into the exile to face their own alliance by Landon (who was swayed by Wes decision making). In moments like these, it’s easy to get sidetracked by such a power move and lose mental focus heading into elimination. However, Kenny’s mental fortitude was at an all-time high. It only motivated him even more to come back and win. And he did just that. Vinny struggled to carry his buckets of weight, an area that Kenny prospered in a lot more. Kenny/Laurel for this reason won. (2) Rivals elimination vs. Davis/Tyrie: Kenny/Wes faced off against Davis/Tyrie in Blast Off, a physical game in which both pairs, while being dressed up in football shoulder pads and helmets, had to tackle their opponents out of a circle. Kenny’s assignment was Tyrie, who had about 40 lbs. on him and collegiate football experience. Blast Off looked like it was Tyrie’s to lose. But when the elimination went underway, Kenny/Wes took care of Tyrie/Davis three out of three rounds, and Kenny got the better of Tyrie every single time. Kenny’s physical performance in Blast Off was best summarized by his own commentary during the event, which was the following: “Supposedly, Tyrie played football at Nebraska. At this point, I’m thinking Tyrie’s a bit of a fucking liar”.
 
Kenny’s clutch gene was probably best exemplified on Inferno III missions. Throughout the Inferno III, Kenny was seen as the third best player on his team. In all fairness, he was on a team with two animals (“The Pitbull” Derrick and “The Mountain Lion” Abram). All Kenny was known for was being beautiful (hence the “Mr. Beautiful” nickname), competing wasn’t really his forte...unless his ass was on the line. The number one and two guys, Abram and Derrick, saw an elimination on I3. Number three, Kenny didn’t. Kenny delivered when it mattered most and saved himself from ever seeing an Inferno by having the best performance in the last two life shield missions for men’s eliminations before the final challenge (Dog Day Afternoon and Hook Me).
 
Competitive Upside #2: Kenny’s Fresh Meat II Run.
 
I don’t think this sub gives Kenny enough credit for his performance on Fresh Meat II. Everyone is blinded by the fact that Kenny, outside of FM2, has only had one season where he was a top five competitor (Inferno III). Plus, the fact that he’s also had two abysmal regular seasons like the original Duel and Rivals doesn’t help either. Because of this, Kenny’s dominance in Fresh Meat II dailies is always watered down with the “Laurel was his partner” argument.
 
Kenny/Laurel won 5 of 9 regular season missions (technically should’ve been 6, since they handed the Turn Style win to Pete/Jillian). They won 55% of the missions they competed in. No other mix-gender pair in Challenge history has ever won at such a successful rate (Coral/Evan won 5 of 10 on FM1 - 50%, Bananas/Camila won 3 of 8 on Exes - 37%, Bananas/Sarah won 4 of 9 on Rivals III - 44%). Bananas/Sarah had a lesser win rate than Kenny/Laurel against weaker opposition on Rivals III. Bananas is a elite competitor and Sarah, while not a Laurel, is in the upper echelon of all-time great women competitors. I think another important note to add is that Kenny/Laurel won three straight missions that were must-win. If they would have lost any of those three, they would’ve been voted into the exile with a chance of going home. Kenny’s mission performances on FM2 is another manifestation of Kenny’s clutch gene.
 
Even though Fresh Meat II was missing a lot of the usual heavy hitters, it doesn’t take away from the fact that Kenny was the second best male competitor on the cast (behind Landon). FM2 Kenny as a stand-alone competitor, in that Challenge environment, was elite. I don’t think there’s more than a handful of guys I would replace with Kenny on FM2. On FM2, there were no missions high above buildings or ones that required climbing (Kenny’s two biggest weaknesses). The missions and exiles demanded less athleticism, and focused on a lot of fundamental strength and stamina (things Kenny excels at). A perfect example is Kenny’s performance in Obstacle (the first mini final mission in Challenge history) and Turn Style.
 
Competitive Upside #3: All-Time Great Long Distance Running.
 
In the grand finale of the sports opera, there are only three names that hold more value than Kenny’s. Those names are Landon, Darrell, and Jordan. Landon grew up in the great outdoors (biking, hiking, rock climbing). God carved up Landon as the perfect specimen to run a Challenge final. Darrell is a former Golden gloves boxer whose physical fitness is always ready and prepared for anything endurance related. Jordan is half gazelle, half human. Kenny runs marathons on a daily basis; He’s the fourth best option in a modern Challenge final.
 
Kenny has ran seven Challenge finals and there was never a single huff and puff from him televised on air. Kenny’s long distance running is so superior to the rest of the Challenge that he’s been dragged down by his teammates almost every time he’s lost a final. On Fresh Meat II, Laurel slowed their pace big time. In the Rivals final, Wes was would’ve been better off not showing up. On Gauntlet III, Big Easy collapsed and took Kenny and like 10 other veterans with him. Kenny could’ve had potentially a fourth, fifth, and sixth title if his teammates could’ve just came close to keeping up with his stamina.
 
Competitive Upside #4: Kenny’s finals performance on Rivals is the best losing post-season performance ever.
 
The Rivals final challenge is widely considered one of the two most grueling finals in the show’s history (with War of the Worlds 1). Johnny/Tyler were the crowned winners of the Rivals finale, but all I remember watching that night was Kenny dominating the entire final all by himself. Wes was a non-entity. Kenny completed all the checkpoints without any sign of physical or mental fatigue. Eating checkpoints are often considered the most difficult part of the final, and Kenny made it look easy here. Kenny was consuming the foods as if he had just ordered a five course meal at his favorite restaurant meanwhile every other single player was puking.
 
My favorite Kenny moment in the Rivals final is when Kenny carries Wes up a mountain, after Wes begins to cramp up. Kenny carrying Wes lasted for no more than 30 seconds, but it speaks large volumes of Kenny’s willpower in the toughest environment of them all. Remember the NBA playoff commercials that used to have classic NBA clips running in slow motion, in black and white color, with the dramatic music in the background that would finish off with a “where amazing happens” subtitle on screen. If The Challenge ever had its own “Where amazing happens” commercials to hype up every future post-season, Kenny carrying Wes up the mountain, in a slow motion black and white screen, with dramatic music playing in the background, would be a shoo-in clip.
 
Kenny’s performance in the Rivals final is the best post-season performance to never win the championship in any Challenge ever. Case and point: If Kenny completing all the checkpoints of the toughest final ever by himself without a single huff and puff isn’t enough to convince you, then the fact that him and his anchor of a partner, Wes, had a 45 minute lead after Day 1 that was trimmed into a two minute head start on Day 2 definitely should. The Challenge Gods wanted a dramatic finish, and in the process, Kenny was screwed out of a championship belt.
 
Politics and Social Game.
 
In a Challenge tournament of the 64 best players to ever use social relationships and political control to advance their position in the game, Kenny would be an automatic one seed. He’d also be the absolute favorite to win the entire thing. Kenny’s masterful social and political compound is exactly why he’s been more successful in reaching the final than any Hall of Fame champion ever, despite being less athletic and well-rounded than every single one of them. Kenny, early in his career, was loved by just about all of his castmembers. Kenny was good looking, charismatic, goofy and was seen as the provider of entertainment in the Challenge house. From about his first challenge (Fresh Meat) to his fourth (Gauntlet III), Kenny developed many tight bonds that gave him access to becoming a political overlord in the second half of his career.
 
The Island.
 
Kenny’s first display of all-time social and political prowess is the Island. On the Island, he spearheaded the Family alliance (with Johnny, Dunbar, Paula, and Johanna) against the rest of the village. The Family ran a totalitarian state on the Island (controlling food portions for each cast member and even determining who’d participate in each face-off).
 
Kenny went into the first face-off, and even though his average competitive abilities let him down, his long standing relationships with the whole cast secured him a key. Kenny won 14 of 17 votes to stay over Tonya. What’s most mind boggling about this? Kenny was vile towards Tonya and made misogynistic comments to her, yet that didn’t seem to make any of the girls vote against him. They still had love for “Mr. Beautiful”. I don’t know what Kenny did off-screen that season, but he was doing something right (whether it was apologizing for his comments or maybe the positive qualities of his charismatic personality outweighed the negatives in villagers’ perceptions). Johnny, had similar misogynistic behavior that Kenny displayed (to a higher extent), and the women loathed him. Unlike Kenny, Johnny had no redeeming qualities. Johnny barely survived a vote of 9 to 6 over Abram, and Abram was begging everyone to send him home because he had important business to take care of back home.
 
Kenny’s best political highlight on the Island occurs when he saves Johnny’s ass by talking Evelyn into not taking his key right before the final in exchange for the fourth spot in the boat of J.K.D. (a.k.a. the winning boat). Kenny’s tight bond with Evelyn on the Inferno III persuaded a rebellious Evelyn to submit herself to the deal Kenny offered her. Evelyn could’ve refused the deal in fear of Kenny not staying true to his promise, but she trusted him enough to sell her soul to the devil (as she liked to put it). If it weren’t for Kenny, Johnny’s career would’ve never started off with 2 back to back wins in his fourth and fifth challenge (with his key stolen on the Island by Evelyn, Johnny would’ve never been a champion on the Ruins). Johnny’s whole legacy would’ve been half of what it is today. You can even argue that Johnny Bananas wouldn’t have gone on to be the face of the Challenge.
 
The Ruins and Rivals.
 
The J.E.K.D. Dynasty ran an entire era of Challenges. From the 15th challenge, Inferno III, to the 22nd Challenge, Battle of the Exes, Johnny, Evan, Kenny, and Derrick racked up 12 championships. That’s 12 championships in nine seasons. The amount of championships that other males outside the dynasty won in that same span is seven. J.E.K.D.’s reign of terror changed the landscape of the Challenge forever. There will never be another powerhouse faction like that ever again.
 
Challenge fans seem to credit Evan as the leader of J.E.K.D., but that’s not accurate. Evan is the best player (when putting together his competitive abilities and social/political game) within the faction, but Kenny was the leader of J.E.K.D. The Ruins is proof of that. It’s the first and only time all four members ever appear on the same season. Johnny and Evan didn’t trust one another. Evan had Kenny go into the final male deliberation with Derrick and Johnny, because he didn’t want to deal with Johnny. He thought Johnny was capable of pulling a fast one on him because he was “a shady bastard”. Johnny’s best friend in the group was Kenny. Derrick’s best friend in J.E.K.D. was also clearly Kenny and Johnny was definitely second (he had prior history with Johnny on the Island, and Derrick and Evan hardly ever shared alone screen time together on the Ruins). Kenny was the centerpiece to J.E.K.D. Without him, the alliance wouldn’t have ever existed. Could you really imagine Evan, Johnny, and Derrick working together in unison? I couldn’t. Kenny brought those guys together. On Rivals, Kenny, Johnny, and Evan led house politics against arch-nemesis C.T. Kenny’s such a social and political magician that he even had Adam King, who was C.T.’s partner, not trust him that season (even after a million of genuine apologies from C.T. for what happened on the Duel II).
 
Fresh Meat II.
 
In the only season Kenny has ever participated in without one of his fellow J.E.K.D. comrades, he still managed to make it to the final challenge. In the road to getting there, Mr. Beautiful dismantled an entire alliance of enemies gunning for him. Kenny’s loyalty to his alliance members (Pete/Jillian, Jenn/Noor, and Ryan/Theresa) was never broken, even if it meant having to sacrifice himself to protect them (giving up a win in Turn Style to Pete/Jillian). Kenny’s loyalty to his friends was so delightful to watch, because in the same season, the leader of the opposing alliance, Wes was selling his allies down the river (real life best friends included). Jenn/Noor and Ryan/Theresa who were playing both sides eventually just stuck by Kenny, because it was a safer alliance to be involved in. Landon, who was originally an alliance member of Wes’ alliance, even jumped ship and joined Kenny. Landon/Carley voted Wes/Theresa into the exile after winning the sixth mission of the season, when they could’ve voted eliminated their biggest threat in the game, Kenny/Laurel. Undecided and opposing alliance members in the Fresh Meat II house recognizing Kenny’s die-hard loyalty to his friends in comparison to Wes’ backstabbing mechanics and turn coating in result is another bullet point as to why Kenny’s the political/social G.O.A.T.
 
Kenny’s Overall Assessment.
 
“Mr. Beautiful” Kenny Santucci has only had one elite regular season (Fresh Meat II), an above average season (Inferno III), and the rest range from average to mediocre in terms of competitive performance. Kenny’s regular season performances, in sum, are inferior to every Challenge all-time great. Politically and socially, however he’s the undisputed G.O.A.T. out of everyone, H.O.F. bunch included. For example, guys like Darrell, Mark, and Derrick were almost perfect socially, but they never had a hand in controlling the political operations within an entire season. Wes’ game is too reliant on trial and error. Johnny Bananas creates too many enemies to ever be considered the very best at house politics. The only other player I can think of that had a social and political combo that come close to matching the one of Kenny’s was Evan (but the arguments I made of Kenny being the centerpiece of J.E.K.D. give him the edge).
 
Kenny has the 6th best legacy in Challenge history, in my opinion. There’s a lot of fans with the belief that Kenny is overrated (because of his less than elite competitive skills). I’m not one of them. Here’s why: If an NBA player was notorious for always putting up average numbers in the regular season, but every time the post season came around, their numbers inflated to the very best and he contributed to winning three championships (and some great finals performances), that player would have one hell of a legacy. That’s basically Kenny’s Challenge legacy. What keeps Kenny out of the top five is that Kenny has no individual or pair wins (everyone in the top five has at least one of these).
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2020.06.22 02:41 futurepoet Top Ten Greatest Male Players in Challenge History - No. 7 - Derrick Kosinski

Honorable Mentions Pt. 1 - Wes, Jamie Murray, Brad
Honorable Mentions Pt. 2 - Theo, Dan, Abram, The Miz, Turbo
No. 10 - Alton Williams (Real World: Las Vegas)
No. 9 - Mark Long (Road Rules: USA - The First Adventure)
No. 8 - Darrell Taylor (Road Rules: Campus Crawl)
No. 7 - Derrick Kosinski (Road Rules: X-Treme)
 
If The Challenge had a Player Efficiency Rating system, Derrick’s Career PER would be at the very top. He’s one of the most consistent elite challengers ever.
 
Derrick has participated in 10 challenge seasons. He’s either made the final challenge or lost right before the final eight out of ten times. The other two times, he was sent home fifth. If you go back and analyze every individual Derrick performance, you’ll soon come to realize that he’s never had a bad season under his belt.
 
Missions Performance-Wise, Derrick was: 2nd best on Fresh Meat (after Evan), 2nd best on Cutthroat (after Abram), 3rd best on Inferno II (after C.T. and Landon), 3rd best on Gauntlet II (after Landon and Alton), 3rd best on Dirty Thirty (after C.T. and Nelson), 4th best on Inferno III (after Abram, Alton, and Johnny), and 5th best on the Duel (after Evan, C.T., Wes, and Brad). The Island had no missions, but Derrick was the clear-cut number one competitor (Ring Wrestle and Ball Buster are cold hard evidence). The missions on the Ruins were too team-oriented to determine a ranking system, but Derrick was at the very least top five and you can make an argument he was in the top three. That’s 9 out of 10 seasons where Derrick was a top five male performer.
 
The only season where Derrick wasn’t a top 5 male competitor was on his rookie season, Battle of the Sexes II. But even on that season, Derrick still left his fans with a career highlight moment in his short stay. And it was in his the first mission he’s ever participated in, Dangle Drop. In this mission, competitors had to hold on to a punching bag dangling above a lake for as long as possible. Derrick (alongside Abram) won the competition for the Guys, by outlasting everyone in his preliminary heat and then beating Coral and Rachel in the final heat. Young Derrick’s cockiness and drunken behavior didn’t rub off too well within the males team on the first day of Sexes II. If he would’ve just performed average in Dangle Drop, he was potentially the first boot. But Derrick proved to the rest of the team that he was a worthy competitor with a whole lot of fight in him. Derrick became a victim of Elimination Hill on Sexes II after the fifth mission (regardless of having outperformed Mike the Miz up to that point). Mike was an established veteran who had strong social ties to the Men’s team upper echelon, and because of this, he was saved.
 
Derrick’s showing on Dangle Drop (Sexes II) was a sneak peek to his ATG mental strength, Surf Torture (Inferno II) cemented it.
 
Surf Torture was the premier mission of Derrick’s sophomore season. In Surf Torture, pairs made within both the Good Guys and Bad Asses teams had to endure physical tests that were assigned to them by highly trained navy seals. The series of physical tasks ranged from wheelbarrows to having to lift heavy logs up and down the shore of a beach. When physical fatigue kicked in and the pairs were no longer performing the exercises in a sufficient manner, they were eliminated from the competition.
 
When Surf Torture commenced, pairs dropped left and right because of how physically demanding the tasks were. The final 2 pairs came down to Abram/Derrick (Bad Asses) and Landon/Mike The Miz (Good Guys). You couldn’t have written a better final showdown for a mental strength competition. Determination. Drive. Heart. Those four guys embody those intangible qualities better than anyone else in Challenge History.
 
Here’s what the four mental strength titans had to say during Surf Torture’s final showdown: “I’m dying, so I know they’re hurting just as bad as I am” (Abram). My hamstrings are starting to cramp up and I’m trying to get myself away from thinking about [the pain]” (Landon). “[My] whole mind is saying ‘I can’t do this, I can’t do this anymore” (Mike The Miz). “It’s coming down to the wire. As much as this mission is torturing us, as much as I’m hurting, I’m not gonna give up to the Miz or Landon” (Derrick).
 
The last physical exercise of Surf Torture was the upper body decimator, the wheelbarrow. The first mission of the season literally weighed on Derrick and Mike’s shoulders, chest, and arms (All Abram and Landon had to do was hold onto their partners legs). Derrick was far from an empty gas tank. He was maneuvering up and down the shore with at least a quarter of his inner drive left, nodding his head from side to side whenever the navy seal asked if he was ready to quit. The Miz was a whole another story. He was running on fumes. Derrick was on his hands in a push-up position, meanwhile Mike was dragging his entire body through the sand (elbows and belly touching the floor). Mike’s engine eventually shut down and the navy seals eliminated him and Landon, giving Derrick, Abram, and the rest of the Bad Asses the first mission win of Inferno II. Derrick’s drive in Surf Torture is a frontrunner for greatest display of mental strength in a Challenge ever.
 
Other than Surf Torture, Derrick was the shining star of two other Inferno II missions. (1) Time To Ride: Players had to drive miniature motorcycles through a zig zag course above water. Derrick posted the fastest time out of all seven males and the times weren’t close. Derrick - 57 seconds, Landon - 1 min. 49 sec., C.T. - 2 min. 50 sec., Darrell - 3 min. 16 seconds, Abram and Mike Mizanin DQ’ed. Derrick put on a clinic for other all-time greats. (2) Dodge Yer Balls: Derrick and C.T. looked like professional dodgeball players, whereas Brad, Darrell, Landon, and Mike Mizanin performed as they had just picked up a dodgeball for the first time. Derrick and C.T. wiped out the entire Good Guys Team all by themselves in easy fashion. Although it was a joint effort, production made an error in giving C.T. the life shield. Derrick deserved it as he eliminated four Good Guys as opposed to C.T. eliminating three, and Derrick also had two game winning catches (C.T. had none). So, in actuality, the life shield ratio between C.T. and Derrick on Inferno II should’ve been 5 to 3.
 
On the Gauntlet II, Derrick makes it known that when all is said and done, he’ll go down as pound for pound the greatest challenge player ever in America’s Fifth Sport.
 
For about the entire first half of his career, Derrick weighed in at about 150 lbs. In the Challenge, that’s the lightest weight to ever exist in the men’s division. The other notable names I can think of within Young Derrick’s weight class are Adam King, Ryan Kehoe, and Luke Wolfe. None of these guys hold a candle to what Derrick has gone on to accomplish in the first half of his career. The club of 150 pounders is always viewed as the bottom of the food chain for Challenge heavyweights to devour. The smallest guys every season are always called into elimination first and are picked off rather easily. Young Derrick was an exception to this design within the game. More times than none, he wasn’t the heavyweights prey. It was the complete opposite. He was the one who preyed upon those bigger and stronger than him.
 
On the Gauntlet II, Derrick went into five physical eliminations. Derrick was victorious in the first four. The opponents he feasted on were: 170 lb. Brad, 180 lb. Adam, 190 lb. Ace, and 220 lb. Syrus. He defeated Adam Larson and Brad in Name That Coconut (a trivia game and a physical battle mixed into one) and beat Ace and Syrus In Beach Brawl (a sumo wrestling contest on sand). The Derrick vs. Syrus elimination was highly believed to be “Derrick’s swan song”. However, the combination of Derrick’s drive and wrestling experience helped him shock the world as he came out on top against Syrus, 3-1. Derrick suffered season-ending defeat in his fifth elimination, versus a 200 lb. Timmy in the final male gauntlet before the final challenge.
 
Derrick’s one hell of a regular season on Gauntlet II earned him nickname “The Pitbull”. He also received a nod of approval from the most respected veteran in the game, Mark Long. Mark praised Derrick for “[having] so much heart, and being the guy who went against the monster every time and [slaying] the monster”. Mark Long declared retirement at the G2 reunion, but as he was doing so, he passed his signature bandana over to Derrick (to represent a passing of the torch). “From the First Road Ruler to the Last Road Ruler”, Mark knew that Derrick was ready to be at the front and center of the Challenge’s future.
 
After Gauntlet II, it was just a matter of time before “The Pitbull” would get his first challenge victory. The only question was when.
 
On Fresh Meat, Derrick was paired with Diem and they placed 4th overall out of 13 teams. Together, they won three missions (the second most out of any team behind Coral/Evan). They won Batten Down The Hatches (agility based), Jump Down Under (swimming based), and Deep Blue (tested ability of holding breath under water). Derrick continued to prove how well rounded of a competitor he was to add to his bulletproof mental strength and tip-top wrestling ability.
 
Derrick’s fifth challenge was The Duel. Although he was eliminated at the halfway point, he still gave us some moments to be proud of. Derrick did something we thought he would never do and that’s win a puzzle elimination. Derrick’s intelligence has always been his biggest weakness, so him winning Ascender vs. Tyler is a nice outlier experience we can appreciate in his long line of work. We also got traditional Derrick in Push Over, a mission where players, having their hands tied together, had to wrestle one another off a large plank that was attached to the end of the boat. Derrick did what Derrick knows best and that was get low and use leverage to push his opponents off. The mission was done tournament style with 8 male participants. Derrick managed to take out C.T., Big Easy, and Brad to win Push Over. I have Derrick’s low man execution in Push Over as the third best mission highlight of the Duel (behind C.T. in Flying Leap and Wes in Sunken Treasure).
 
On the next season to take place, Inferno III, Derrick gets called in as a replacement for C.T. who punched Davis the first night in South Africa. Derrick didn’t expect to be on the season, which probably means he didn’t do any prep training in the off-season and it best explains why his mission performances on the Inferno III were teetering more towards middle-of-the-road than being the number one guy on his team. He didn’t win a single life shield, but still managed to put up solid numbers in the mission stat sheet. Derrick’s finest showing on I3 was his Cornerball win vs. Davis, where he roughhoused Davis in a 1-on-1 game of rugby. After six valiant efforts, Derrick finally got his long awaited championship on Inferno III.
 
Throughout his career, Derrick’s pitbull mentality has piled up a phenomenal highlight reel. On the flip side, Derrick’s social mechanics are one of the best the game has ever seen.
 
In his ten season career, Derrick only had 2 seasons where he was at the bottom in terms of social positioning (Sexes II and Gauntlet II). The other 8 seasons Derrick has been on, he was at the top of the totem pole in terms of alliances. For example, on I2, Derrick/C.T./Brad/Darrell kept each other safe from ever calling one another out for the elimination. Three of four of these guys never saw an elimination and made the final (Derrick was one of them). This was the only secret alliance on the I2, as alliances were considered taboo during the Golden era. On Fresh Meat, the main alliance that ran the entire second half of the game was Derrick/Diem, Darrell/Aviv, and Theo/Chanda. On Cutthroat, Derrick was the most well-connected player on the Blue team, and could’ve gone without seeing an elimination the entire season had Ty never been such a catastrophe.
 
Derrick’s social game on his second and third championship seasons (The Island and The Ruins) were perfect.
 
On The Island, from the public perception, there were village leaders (Kenny, Johnny, Paula, Johanna, Dunbar) and the rest of the village were outsiders. Derrick was the only player on the entire island who was happily welcomed by the leaders group, but also had a great relationship with the rest of the outsiders. Derrick was great friends with Kenny and Johnny, but unlike the two of them, he never bullied Robin, Tonya, or Evelyn. These people were his actual friends who thought highly of him. For this reason, Derrick’s key was never in consideration to get taken throughout the entire season. You couldn’t say the same for Kenny, Johnny, Dunbar, and Paula (all of whom either had their key stolen or were in danger of getting it stolen). Derrick’s untouchable social game on the Island is best highlighted when he threw a face-off just to give Johnny a key. Late in the season, people without keys were jumping at each other throats to get into the face-off, but yet, no one batted an eye when Derrick who already had a key volunteered for a second time. Had anybody else done this, it would’ve been seen as cynical, but because it was Derrick, people genuinely didn’t seem bothered by it. The plan of Johnny getting his key worked, and Derrick won a 10-1 landslide vote versus Cohutta. Derrick was respected so much that Cohutta’s plea was him essentially telling everyone that Derrick was a better fit for the final boats.
 
On the Ruins, Derrick was the third member to the J.E.K. coalition. He was the silent partner in crime (hence his first name initial not being included in the alliance name). Derrick benefited from all of Evan and Kenny’s political moves without being seen as a member of the alliance. Derrick had the strongest social ties in the game (Along with J.E.K., he was great friends with all the old schoolers - Syrus, Darrell, Katie, Tonya, Veronica, and Ibis). Derrick had to conform with the J.E.K. political movement by sacrificing old school friends in order to get his way to the end. Derrick, however, was not punished for his actions, because after all he was just doing what was best for his game (Derrick was a respectful sportsman to everyone unlike the rest of his J.E.K. associates).
 
Derrick’s overall player qualities stood the test of time on Dirty Thirty.
 
When our beloved all-time greats come back from a grand layoff (5 season break or more), the narrative arc in their comeback season is always the same: They fall short of the final challenge. We seen it with Darrell on Invasion, Mark on Exes, Alton on Seasons II, and Brad on Vendettas. Derrick broke the curse on Dirty Thirty. Although he had been missing in action for nine seasons, Derrick made it all the way to second place behind his all-time great comrade Jordan.
 
Dirty Thirty was an extremely mentally strenuous season with all types of twists and turns. The season also has one of the most stacked male casts of all-time, but this didn’t seem to bring out a single ounce of ring rust in Derrick. He was the only male to never be sent to the redemption house. Derrick won three missions, an elimination, and was apart of the top alliance of the house (with Bananas/C.T./Jordan/Tony/Leroy). Derrick’s well-connected social game was best highlighted in Veronica going to bat for him by turning the vote towards Leroy in the greatest political move of the season.
 
Derrick is the true elimination king, not Wes.
 
Wes’ 14-8 elimination record is the most padded and highly overrated statistic in Challenge history. His win against Derrick in Pole Wrestle is praiseworthy, but his best wins after that are beating Zach/Zahida in Lights Out or Jamie in blindfolded soccer (those victories aren’t much to write about for a second and third best of a hailed “elimination king”). He also has five exile wins that are basically non-canon in these debates (as him and Casey had 40 lbs. less luggage to carry, per average, than their opponents). Wes’ seven other victories were versus: Chet, Nick Brown, Davis/Tyrie, Brandon/Ty, Nate/Priscilla, and Nate/Christina. In Wes’ 8 losses, he was dominated four times: twice to Leroy, once to Bear, and once to Big Easy (although he was at a large weight disadvantage). His four other losses were versus Bananas in a crapshoot, Dario in an agility contest, Cohutta in a strategy based elimination, and his stamina failed him in an exile where the luggage factor was no longer benefiting him (versus Luke/Evelyn).
 
Derrick, on the other hand, is 8-4, arguably 9-4 (if you count his mercenary win against Joss in Vendettas as an official elimination). Derrick’s three best elimination wins are (1) vs. Joss in Crazy Eight: The Pitbull came out of the doghouse one last time and it’s jaw was locked to the 8-figure that him and Joss were fighting for. There was no letting go, and after 20 rounds of back-breaking battle, Joss’ mental fatigue kicked in and Derrick prevailed in the Vendettas death match. (2) versus Syrus in Beach Brawl (3) and versus Bananas in Reel World. The other opponents Derrick has knocked out throughout his career were Adam Larson, Ace, Brad, Brandon, Davis, and Tyler.
 
Derrick’s four losses are the most honorable Challenge deaths imaginable and take nothing away from him as a competitor. (1/2) He lost to Timmy and Tyler in strictly weight based eliminations (otherwise known as eliminations that hold the least amount of weight in judging competitors, no pun intended). Derrick was at a 50 lb. disadvantage in both contests, and there was nothing he could’ve done to win. No physical contact was allowed. It was just push or pull with all of your body weight. (3) Derrick/Diem lost to Darrell/Aviv on FM1 exile. Derrick/Diem had 75 more lbs. of luggage to carry than Darrell/Aviv. They stood no chance before the elimination even began. Fresh Meat exiles, in general, are considered unlawful in all-time great discussions. (4) Derrick lost to Wes in what people call today, the most memorable elimination to ever go down in Challenge history. Derrick’s performance here is a moral victory. Wes, in his post-elimination confessional, said he wanted Derrick to be The Godfather to his first child because of how much respect he had for Derrick after their elimination.
 
Although a prime Wes beat Derrick head-to-head, Derrick is not only the one to have knocked out the bigger names throughout their elimination career, but he’s also won more beautifully and lost more honorably. This is why Derrick rightfully deserves to sit on the throne for Elimination King (only C.T. and Darrell challenge him for a seat).
 
Derrick’s Overall Assessment.
 
In the league of Challenge legends, Derrick is seventh best. Most challenge fans would probably disagree with having Derrick one spot ahead of Darrell. But in my eyes, the only thing Darrell really has over Derrick is championship belts. Derrick has had a more consistently efficient career with more competitive highlights. When you break down their careers side-by-side: Derrick’s best competitive seasons (Inferno II, Gauntlet II, Fresh Meat) are greater than Darrell’s best (Inferno, Fresh Meat, Invasion). Derrick’s best social game performances (Island, Ruins) are better than Darrell’s best social game seasons (Inferno, Inferno II). Derrick’s worst showings (Sexes II, Duel) are a whole lot more memorable than Darrell’s (Fresh Meat 2, Dirty Thirty).
 
Derrick has ATG mental strength, aggression, and wrestling ability, whereas Darrell has ATG physical strength and stamina. Both have poor intelligence. Although they’re both close competitively speaking, Derrick edges out Darrell by being more well rounded in other areas such as agility and balance (two areas Darrell is inconsistent in, since he’s afraid of heights).
 
In eliminations, you can’t go wrong with picking either or. In missions, I’d take Derrick. In a final challenge, I’d take Darrell, but the question is would Darrell even get there? Derrick has shown time and time again he’s in for the long haul, whereas Darrell has been sent on the first flight home one-fourth of his career. This, along with a more well-connected social game is why I believe Derrick is the slightly safer choice between the two.
 
Derrick’s ceiling is the 7th position. His highly questionable intelligence molds him as a second place finisher in Challenge finals today (Dirty Thirty is proof of this). To be in consideration for the Challenge Mount Rushmore, you have to be a betting favorite to not only make it to the end, but also win a modern final all by yourself. The rest of the six legends that have yet to be revealed have all shown to be more than capable of enduring an entire season and accomplishing a first place finish. They’re also a lot more independent in constructing their own destinies from beginning to end, whereas you can always argue Derrick’s winning legacy might’ve not been as decorated if he never would’ve joined forces with Kenny Santucci (Derrick’s three championships have all been with Kenny on his team, who was always politically in charge of the game’s operations).
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2020.06.11 06:56 Deviray Total Drama Reboot/Redo

Total Drama was a show that was an easy favorite. This is just my opinion on what I wish would have happened. Or Made it slightly better. I’ll do all Seasons of the Show. I’ll start with season 1.
First off formatting. Change the seasons to 21 different 42 minute episodes. To allow character development and more time for the game to play out. Audience. Would move it to 13+ Audience. At minimum. More humor and crudity. Which is what made the first season so great.
Starting with the same cast. Season 1 would go like this if I could redo it. Same teams.
Episode 1: Not So Happy Campers Challenge: Cliff Jump Winners: Screaming Gophers Losers: Killer Bass Bottom 3: Courtney, DJ, & Ezekiel Eliminated: Ezekiel (4-2-5) Change: Explain how he got voted out, for me it was Ezekiel and Harold voted DJ. The remain boys vote Courtney. Girls vote Ezekiel.
Episode 2: The Sucky Outdoors Challenge: Night in the woods Winners: Screaming Gophers Losers: Killer Bass Bottom 3: Harold, Katie, & Sadie Eliminated: Sadie (2-3-5) Change: Formation of the Bass Alliance. Duncan, Courtney, Bridgette, Geoff, & DJ.
Episode 3: Dodge Brawl Challenge: Dodgeball Winners: Killer Bass Losers: Screaming Gophers Bottom 2: Lindsay & Noah Eliminated: Noah (1-10)
Episode 4: Not Quite Famous Challenge: Talent Show Winners: Killer Bass Losers: Screaming Gophers Bottom 3: Heather, Justin, & Trent Eliminated: Justin (4-5-1) Change: Heather convinces Justin to vote Trent. Giving her and her alliance plus Izzy & Owen the majority.
Episode 5: The Big Sleep Challenge: Awake-a-thin Winners: The Screaming Gophers Losers: The Killer Bass Bottom 2: Eva & Katie Eliminated: Katie (3-6) Change: Heather still steals Eva’s MP3; However Katie is stealing thing around camp to make a Sadie Doll to talk too and is voted out instead.
Episode 6: Phobia Factor Challenge: Face Fears Winners: Screaming Gophers Losers: Killer Bass Bottom 2: Courtney & Tyler Eliminated: Tyler (3-5)
Episode 7: Paintball Deer Hunt Challenge: Paintball Hunting on Boney Island Winners: Killer Bass Losers: Screaming Gophers Left: Izzy Bottom 3: Beth, Cody, & Heather Eliminated: Cody (2-4-2) Change: Episode is a merge between the Boney island and paintball episodes. With Izzy leaving right before the vote.
Episode 8: If You Can’t Take the Heat... Challenge: Cooking Winners: Killer Bass Losers: Screaming Gophers Bottom 2: Beth & Heather Eliminated: Beth (4-3)
Episode 9: Who Can You Trust? Challenge: Multiple Trust Challenges Winners: Screaming Gophers Losers: Killer Bass Bottom 2: Eva & Harold Eliminated: Eva (6-1) Change: Eva’s aggression leads to Courtney & Bridgette swaying the alliance to eliminate her.
Episode 10: Basic Straining Challenge: Boot Camp Winners: Screaming Gophers Losers: Killer Bass Bottom 2: Courtney & Harold Eliminated: Courtney (5-1)*Rigged by Harold
Episode 11: X-Treme Torture Challenge: X-Treme Challenges Winners: Screaming Gophers Losers: Killer Bass Bottom 2: Geoff & Harold Eliminated: Harold (1-4)
Episode 12: No Pain No Game Returnees: Courtney & Izzy Challenge: The Pain Game Invincibility: Heather Bottom 2: Lindsay & Trent Eliminated: Trent (2-10) Change: This is a mix between the Pain and Search and Destroy episodes in terms of HeatherXTrent move happening here.
Episode 13: Hide & Be Sneaky Challenge: Hide & Seek Invincibility: Heather & Leshawna Bottom 5: Bridgette, Courtney, Izzy, Lindsay, & Owen Eliminated: Bridgette (3-2-2-2-2) Change: The vote is well explained. With Courtney & Bridgette voting Izzy. Gwen & Leshawna voting Lindsay. Lindsay & Heather voting Owen. Izzy & Geoff voting Courtney. And Duncan, DJ, & Owen booting Bridgette.
Episode 14: Off the Chain Challenge: Bike Race Invincibility: Courtney Bottom 3: Heather, Leshawna, & Lindsay Eliminated: Lindsay (4-1-5) Change: The Bass alliance led my Courtney target Lindsay, so they can target Heather next to get numbers even with the Gophers. Heather gets wind of it. She convinces Lindsay to vote Leshawna. Heather turns on Lindsay and joins the former Bass in voting her out. The former Gophers take the opportunity to try and boot Heather.
Episode 15: Hook, Line, & Stinker Challenge: Survive the Horror Night Invincibility: Courtney, Duncan, & Gwen Bottom 2: DJ & Heather Eliminated: DJ (5-4) Heather pulls the Gophers and convinces them to eliminate a Killer Bass to keep the numbers. Seeing DJ as a bigger threat then Geoff.
Episode 16: Camp Castaways Challenge: Escape Boney Island Invincibility: Owen Bottom 2: Courtney & Heather Eliminated: Courtney (5-3) Changes: Heather continues her strategy of targets former Killer Bass. This episode is a change up from the Camp Castaways in the OG series.
Episode 17: Wawankwa Gone Wild Challenge: Catch an animal Invincibility: Gwen Bottom 2: Heather & Izzy Eliminated: Izzy (2-5) Changes: Izzy is voted out for her crazy antics by everyone except Owen.
Episode 18: Trial by Tri-Armed Triathlon Challenge: Triathlon with a partner Invincibility: No One Bottom 3: Geoff, Heather, & Owen Eliminated: Geoff (3-2-1) Changes: Heather convinces Owen & Duncan to boot Geoff.
Episode 19: After the Dock of Shame Challenge: None Invincibility: None Eliminated: Leshawna (By Former Competitors)
Episode 20: I Triple Dog Dare You Challenge: Dare Eliminated: Owen (Auto-Eliminated when he eats to much and cannot continue) Invincibility: Duncan & Gwen Eliminated: Heather (Auto-Eliminated for failing a challenge)
Episode 21: Reject Olympics Challenge: Race Around Wawankwa Winner: Gwen Eliminated: Duncan
Special: Total Drama Drama Drama Drama Island Same as Old Advanced to TDA: Beth, Bridgette, Courtney, DJ, Duncan, Geoff, Gwen, Harold, Heather, Izzy, Justin, Leshawna, Lindsay, Owen, Trent, & Tyler
Mini-Episodes- 22 Minute Interviews Between Eliminated Campers & Blaineley Episode 1: Ezekiel, Sadie, Noah, Justin, Katie, & Tyler Episode 2: Izzy, Cody, Beth, Eva, Courtney, & Harold Episode 3: Trent, Bridgette, Lindsay, & DJ Episode 4: Courtney, Izzy, Geoff, & Leshawna Episode 5: Owen, Heather, Duncan, & Gwen
Not much changes to this one. Feel Free to comment on it. Either way!
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2019.12.13 16:45 GrahamCracker00 A few months ago, I made a Challenge leaderboard by changing the payout structure for finals. Here is the updated leaderboard through War of the Worlds 2!

If you want a little more background into why I did this, see the original post here. If you don’t want to spend time reading all that, then here’s the gist: What if each format of the show had the same pay structure every time it occured? That way we’d have a better idea of who’s the GOAT by looking at the money earners list. That’s what this list is trying to accomplish. Example:
There are two key differences between this list and the previous list:
You might also notice a change from my previous three-team format, altering the 2nd and 3rd place money by $10K each. Anyway, this is what the new payout structure looks like:
Format Payout Structure Applies to
Literally just a season of Road Rules, lol $15,000 per participant for completing each task. Road Rules All Stars
Six vs. Six, no elimination $25,000 per winner, nothing for losers. RW/RR Challenge, Challenge 2000, Extreme Challenge
Elimination down to a predetermined number of players per team $50,000 per winner. $12,500 per loser in the final. (Note that this means Cara, Natalie D, Paulie, and Zach are the only Team US members paid in WOTW 2 final.) Battle of the Seasons 2002, Battle of the Sexes, Battle of the Sexes 2, The Island, War of the Worlds 2
Team A vs. Team B, potential for an uneven final $300,000 divided amongst the winners. Each loser in the final receives an amount equivalent to 25% of the winner’s share. The Gauntlet, The Inferno, The Inferno II, The Gauntlet 2, The Inferno 3, The Gauntlet III, The Ruins
Pairs, usually in the guy/girl variety, competing in one competition 1st: $100,000 per player. 2nd: $35,000 per player. 3rd: $15,000 per player. 4th(if present): $0. There is no money-stealing from partners under this structure. Fresh Meat, Fresh Meat II, Battle of the Exes, Battle of the Exes II, Battle of the Bloodlines, Rivals III, Final Reckoning
Individual 1st Female and Male: $100,000 each. 2nd Female and Male: $35,000 each. 3rd Female and Male: $15,000 each. 4th Female and Male(if present): $0. (Note that only four players ran the final in The Duel, however both CT and Aneesa are paid under this structure. This also means that Zach is rewarded a win for Vendettas, as is Natalie D. for WOTW.) The Duel, The Duel II, Free Agents, Invasion of the Champions, XXX: Dirty 30, Vendettas, War of the Worlds
Multi-team challenges 1st: $200,000 split amongst team members. 2nd: $70,000 split amongst team members. 3rd: $30,000 split amongst team members. Cutthroat, Battle of the Seasons 2012
Pairs competing in separate competitions divided by gender 1st Female and Male Pairs: $50,000 per player. 2nd Female and Male Pairs: $17,500 per player. 3rd Female and Male Pairs: $7,500 per player. Rivals, Rivals II
And with that, here’s the standings! If you have any confusion or corrections to offer, feel free to comment below!
Place Challenger (Original Season) Weighted Prize Winnings Cash Breakdown
1 John Devenanzio (RW: Key West) $490,000 1st: The Island, The Ruins, Rivals, Battle of the Exes, Free Agents, Rivals III. 2nd: The Inferno 3, Rivals II
2 Cara Maria Sorbello (Fresh Meat II) $331,500 1st: Battle of the Bloodlines, Vendettas. 2nd: Cutthroat, Rivals, Rivals II, XXX: Dirty 30, War of the Worlds, War of the Worlds 2
3 Chris Tamburello (RW: Paris) $305,625 1st: Rivals II, Invasion of the Champions, War of the Worlds 2. 2nd: The Inferno, The Inferno II, The Gauntlet III, Battle of the Exes. 3rd: The Duel, XXX: Dirty 30
4 Kenny Santucci (Fresh Meat) $260,000 1st: The Inferno 3, The Island, The Ruins. 2nd: Fresh Meat, The Gauntlet III, Fresh Meat II, Rivals
5 Jordan Wiseley (RW: Portland) $257,500 1st: Battle of the Exes II, XXX: Dirty 30, War of the Worlds 2. 3rd: Rivals II
6 Darrell Taylor (RR: Campus Crawl) $245,833 1st: The Gauntlet, The Inferno, The Inferno II, Fresh Meat
7 Camila Nakagawa (Spring Break Challenge) $242,500 1st: Battle of the Exes, XXX: Dirty 30. 2nd: Invasion of the Champions. 3rd: Rivals II
8 Sarah Rice (RW: Brooklyn) $236,500 1st: Battle of the Exes II, Rivals III. 2nd: The Ruins, Cutthroat. 3rd: Battle of the Seasons 2012
9 Derrick Kosinski (RR: X-Treme) $213,750 1st: The Inferno 3, The Island, The Ruins. 2nd: The Inferno II, XXX: Dirty 30
10 Landon Lueck (RW: Philadelphia) $208,333 1st: The Inferno II, The Gauntlet 2, Fresh Meat II
11 Ashley Mitchell (RW: Ex-Plosion) $200,000 1st: Invasion of the Champions, Final Reckoning
12 Wes Bergmann (RW: Austin) $197,500 1st: The Duel, Rivals II. 2nd: Rivals. 3rd: Fresh Meat, War of the Worlds
13 Zach Nichols (RW: San Diego 2011) $177,500 1st: Battle of the Seasons 2012, Vendettas. 2nd: War of the Worlds 2. 3rd: Free Agents
14 Evan Starkman (Fresh Meat) $172,500 1st: The Duel II, The Ruins. 2nd: The Gauntlet III
15 Laurel Stucky (Fresh Meat II) $166,500 1st: Free Agents. 2nd: Fresh Meat II, Cutthroat, Rivals
16 Evelyn Smith (Fresh Meat) $162,500 1st: The Inferno 3, The Island, Rivals. 2nd: The Gauntlet III
17 Rachel Robinson (RR: Campus Crawl) $152,083 1st: The Gauntlet, The Duel II. 2nd: The Inferno II
18 Mike Mizanin (RW: Back to New York) $142,708 1st: Battle of the Seasons 2002, The Inferno II. 2nd: The Gauntlet, The Inferno
19 Paula Beckert (RW: Key West) $137,500 1st: Rivals, Rivals II. 2nd: The Inferno 3, The Gauntlet III, The Island
20 Jodi Weatherton (RR: X-Treme) $133,333 1st: The Gauntlet 2, The Duel
21 Brad Fiorenza (RW: San Diego 2004) $132,500 1st: Cutthroat. 2nd: The Duel, The Gauntlet III, The Duel II
22 Abram Boise (RR: South Pacific) $120,250 1st: The Inferno, The Inferno 3. 2nd: The Inferno II, Cutthroat
23 Veronica Portillo (RR: Semester at Sea) $114,583 1st: Challenge 2000, The Gauntlet, The Inferno. 2nd: The Inferno II
24 Natalie Duran (American Ninja Warrior) $112,500 1st: War of the Worlds. 2nd: War of the Worlds 2
25 Jamie Murray (RW: New Orleans 2000) $108,333 1st: Extreme Challenge, Battle of the Sexes, The Gauntlet 2
26 Susie Meister (RR: Down Under) $105,833 1st: The Gauntlet 2, The Ruins. 2nd: The Inferno 3
27 Aviv Melmed (Fresh Meat) $100,000 1st: Fresh Meat
27 Carley Johnson (Fresh Meat II) $100,000 1st: Fresh Meat II
27 Tori Hall (RR: Viewers' Revenge) $100,000 1st: The Gauntlet III, Cutthroat
27 Tyler Duckworth (RW: Key West) $100,000 1st: Cutthroat, Rivals
27 Jamie Banks (Battle of the Bloodlines) $100,000 1st: Battle of the Bloodlines
27 Hunter Barfield (AYTO? 3) $100,000 1st: Final Reckoning
27 Turabi Çamkıran (Survivor Turkey) $100,000 1st: War of the Worlds
34 Mark Long (RR: The First Adventure) $98,333 1st: RW/RR Challenge, Battle of the Sexes. 2nd: The Gauntlet 2. 3rd: The Duel II
35 Theo Von (RR: Maximum Velocity Tour) $95,833 1st: The Gauntlet, Battle of the Sexes II. 2nd: Battle of the Seasons 2002
36 Dan Setzler (RR: Northern Trail) $87,500 1st: Challenge 2000, Battle of the Sexes 2. 2nd: Battle of the Seasons 2002
37 Coral Smith (RW: Back to New York) $80,208 1st: Battle of the Seasons 2002. 2nd: The Gauntlet, The Inferno, Battle of the Sexes 2
38 Emily Schromm (RW: D.C.) $80,000 1st: Rivals II. 3rd: Cutthroat, Battle of the Exes
39 Jamie Chung (RW: San Diego 2004) $75,000 1st: The Inferno II
40 Tonya Cooley (RW: Chicago) $68,750 1st: The Inferno 3. 2nd: The Inferno II
41 Frank Sweeney (RW: San Diego 2011) $67,500 1st: Battle of the Seasons 2012. 2nd: Rivals II
42 Sean Duffy (RW: Boston) $65,000 1st: Road Rules All Stars, Battle of the Seasons 2002
42 Eric Nies (RW: New York) $65,000 1st: Road Rules All Stars, Battle of the Sexes 2
42 Jillian Zoboroski (RR: X-Treme) $65,000 1st: The Gauntlet III. 3rd: Fresh Meat II
42 Jenna Compono (RW: Ex-Plosion) $65,000 2nd: Rivals III. 3rd: Battle of the Exes II, Battle of the Bloodlines
46 Holly Shand (RR: Latin America) $62,500 1st: Challenge 2000, The Inferno
47 Roni Martin (RR: Northern Trail) $58,333 1st: RW/RR Challenge, The Gauntlet
47 Timmy Beggy (RR: The Second Adventure) $58,333 1st: The Inferno. 2nd: Battle of the Seasons 2002, The Gauntlet 2
49 Leroy Garrett (RW: Las Vegas 2011) $57,500 2nd: Battle of the Exes II. 3rd: Rivals, Vendettas
50 Alton Williams (RW: Las Vegas 2002) $54,166 1st: The Gauntlet 2. 2nd: The Gauntlet, The Inferno 3
51 Tina Barta (RR: South Pacific) $53,750 2nd: The Inferno II, Fresh Meat
52 Danny Roberts (RW: New Orleans 2000) $50,000 1st: Battle of the Seasons 2002
52 Elka Walker (RW: Boston) $50,000 1st: Battle of the Seasons 2002
52 Kelley Limp (RW: New Orleans 2000) $50,000 1st: Battle of the Seasons 2002
52 Colin Mortensen (RW: Hawaii) $50,000 1st: Battle of the Sexes
52 Janelle Casanave (RW: Key West) $50,000 1st: The Inferno 3
52 Frank Roessler (RW: Las Vegas 2002) $50,000 1st: The Gauntlet III
52 Johanna Botta (RW: Austin) $50,000 1st: The Gauntlet III
52 Nehemiah Clark (RW: Austin) $50,000 1st: The Gauntlet III
52 Rachel Moyal (RW: Austin) $50,000 1st: The Gauntlet III
52 Dunbar Merrill (RW: Sydney) $50,000 1st: Cutthroat
52 Ashley Kelsey (RW: San Diego 2011) $50,000 1st: Battle of the Seasons 2012
52 Sam McGinn (RW: San Diego 2011) $50,000 1st: Battle of the Seasons 2012
52 Cory Wharton (RW: Ex-Plosion) $50,000 2nd: Battle of the Bloodlines. 3rd: Invasion of the Champions
52 Dee Nguyen (Geordie Shore 17) $50,000 1st: War of the Worlds 2
52 Rogan O’Connor (Ex on the Beach UK 2) $50,000 1st: War of the Worlds 2
67 Diem Brown (Fresh Meat) $47,500 2nd: The Gauntlet III, Battle of the Exes
68 Katie Cooley (RR: The Quest) $45,833 1st: The Inferno. 2nd: The Gauntlet 2
68 Cara Zavaleta (RR: South Pacific) $45,833 1st: The Gauntlet. 2nd: The Inferno 3
70 Aneesa Ferreira (RW: Chicago) $38,333 2nd: The Gauntlet 2. 3rd: The Duel, The Duel II
71 Christena Pyle (RR: South Pacific) $37,500 1st: The Inferno
71 Kendal Sheppard (RR: Campus Crawl) $37,500 1st: The Inferno
73 Svetlana Shusterman (RW: Key West) $35,000 2nd: The Duel
73 Brittini Sherrod (RW: Hollywood) $35,000 2nd: The Duel II
73 Jenn Grijalva (RW: Denver) $35,000 2nd: The Island. 3rd: Cutthroat, Rivals
73 Dustin Zito (RW: Las Vegas 2011) $35,000 2nd: Battle of the Seasons 2012
73 Trishelle Cannatella (RW: Las Vegas 2002) $35,000 2nd: Battle of the Seasons 2012
73 Johnny Reilly (RW: Portland) $35,000 2nd: Free Agents
73 Nany Gonzalez (RW: Las Vegas 2011) $35,000 2nd: Free Agents
73 Theresa Jones (Fresh Meat II) $35,000 2nd: Battle of the Exes II
73 Mitch Reid (Battle of the Bloodlines) $35,000 2nd: Battle of the Bloodlines
73 Vince Gliatta (Battle of the Bloodlines) $35,000 2nd: Rivals III
73 Nelson Thomas (AYTO? 3) $35,000 2nd: Invasion of the Champions
73 Kailah Casillas (RW: Go Big or Go Home) $35,000 2nd: Vendettas
73 Kyle Christie (Geordie Shore 8) $35,000 2nd: Vendettas
73 Joss Mooney (Ex on the Beach UK 1) $35,000 2nd: Final Reckoning
73 Sylvia Elsrode (RW: Skeletons) $35,000 2nd: Final Reckoning
73 Theo Campbell (Love Island UK 3) $35,000 2nd: War of the Worlds
89 Syrus Yarbrough (RW: Boston) $34,375 1st: Extreme Challenge. 2nd: The Inferno
90 Adam Larson (RR: The Quest) $33,333 1st: The Gauntlet
90 Dave Giuntoli (RR: South Pacific) $33,333 1st: The Gauntlet
90 Sarah Greyson (RR: Campus Crawl) $33,333 1st: The Gauntlet
90 Ibis Nieves (RR: X-Treme) $33,333 1st: The Gauntlet 2
90 Kina Dean (RR: X-Treme) $33,333 1st: The Gauntlet 2
90 MJ Garrett (RW: Philadelphia) $33,333 1st: The Gauntlet 2
90 Randy Barry (RW: San Diego 2004) $33,333 1st: The Gauntlet 2
90 Julie Stoffer (RW: New Orleans 2000) $33,333 1st: Extreme Challenge. 2nd: The Gauntlet 2
90 Robin Hibbard (RW: San Diego 2004) $33,333 2nd: The Gauntlet 2, The Gauntlet III, The Island
99 Paulie Calafiore (Big Brother 18) $27,500 2nd: War of the Worlds 2. 3rd: Final Reckoning
100 Anne Wharton (RR: Northern Trail) $25,000 1st: RW/RR Challenge
100 Kalle Dedolph (RR: Islands) $25,000 1st: RW/RR Challenge
100 Kefla Hare (RR: Down Under) $25,000 1st: RW/RR Challenge
100 Noah Rickun (RR: Northern Trail) $25,000 1st: RW/RR Challenge
100 Carlos Jackson (RR: The First Adventure) $25,000 1st: Challenge 2000
100 Piggy Thomas (RR: Down Under) $25,000 1st: Challenge 2000
100 Yes Duffy (RR: Semester at Sea) $25,000 1st: Challenge 2000
100 Dan Renzi (RW: Miami) $25,000 1st: Extreme Challenge
100 Kameelah Phillips (RW: Boston) $25,000 1st: Extreme Challenge
100 Rebecca Lord (RW: Seattle) $25,000 1st: Extreme Challenge
110 Devyn Simone (RW: Brooklyn) $22,500 3rd: Battle of the Seasons 2012, Free Agents
111 Heather Cooke (RW: Las Vegas 2011) $17,500 2nd: Rivals II
112 Cynthia Roberts (RW: Miami) $15,000 1st: Road Rules All Stars
112 Jon Brennan (RW: Los Angeles) $15,000 1st: Road Rules All Stars
112 Rachel Campos (RW: San Francisco) $15,000 1st: Road Rules All Stars
112 Casey Cooper (Fresh Meat) $15,000 3rd: Fresh Meat
112 KellyAnne Judd (RW: Sydney) $15,000 2nd: The Ruins
112 Pete Connolly (Fresh Meat II) $15,000 3rd: Fresh Meat II
112 Ty Ruff (RW: D.C.) $15,000 3rd: Battle of the Exes
112 Jay Gotti (RW: Ex-Plosion) $15,000 3rd: Battle of the Exes II
112 Brianna Julig (Battle of the Bloodlines) $15,000 3rd: Battle of the Bloodlines
112 Cheyenne Floyd (AYTO? 3) $15,000 3rd: Rivals III
112 Devin Walker-Molaghan (AYTO? 3) $15,000 3rd: Rivals III
112 Nicole Zannata (RW: Skeletons) $15,000 3rd: Invasion of the Champions
112 Tori Deal (AYTO? 4) $15,000 3rd: XXX: Dirty 30
112 Kam Williams (AYTO? 5) $15,000 3rd: Vendettas
112 Natalie Negrotti (Big Brother 18) $15,000 3rd: Final Reckoning
112 Mattie Lynn Breaux (Party Down South) $15,000 3rd: War of the Worlds
128 Luke Wolfe (Fresh Meat II) $14,000 2nd: Cutthroat
129 Emily Bailey (RR: The Second Adventure) $12,500 2nd: Battle of the Seasons 2002
129 Holly Brenston (RR: Maximum Velocity Tour) $12,500 2nd: Battle of the Seasons 2002
129 Tara McDaniel (RR: Northern Trail) $12,500 2nd: Battle of the Seasons 2002
129 Ellen Cho (RR: The Quest) $12,500 2nd: Battle of the Sexes
129 Lori Trespicio (RW: Back to New York) $12,500 2nd: Battle of the Sexes
129 Ruthie Alcaide (RW: Hawaii) $12,500 2nd: Battle of the Sexes
129 Arissa Hill (RW: Las Vegas 2002) $12,500 2nd: Battle of the Sexes 2
129 Sophia Pasquis (RR: The Quest) $12,500 2nd: Battle of the Sexes 2
129 Ace Amerson (RW: Paris) $12,500 2nd: The Inferno 3
129 Adam King (RW: Paris) $12,500 2nd: The Gauntlet III
129 Eric Banks (Fresh Meat) $12,500 2nd: The Gauntlet III
129 Ryan Kehoe (Fresh Meat) $12,500 2nd: The Island
141 Nathan Blackburn (RW: Seattle) $8,333 2nd: The Gauntlet
141 Norman Korpi (RW: New York) $8,333 2nd: The Gauntlet
141 David Burns (RW: Seattle) $8,333 2nd: The Gauntlet 2
144 Mandi Moyer (Fresh Meat II) $7,500 3rd: Rivals
144 Michael Ross (RW: Las Vegas 2011) $7,500 3rd: Rivals
144 Chet Cannon (RW: Brooklyn) $7,500 3rd: Battle of the Seasons 2012
144 JD Ordoñez (RW: Brooklyn) $7,500 3rd: Battle of the Seasons 2012
144 Jemmye Carroll (RW: New Orleans 2010) $7,500 3rd: Rivals II
144 Marlon Williams (RW: Portland) $7,500 3rd: Rivals II
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2019.06.08 01:30 JuanRiveara Favorite Female Challengers According to the Sub(2019 Edition)

Last week I posted this thread asking for the members of the sub to rank your Top 5 favorite males and females. This list is for the favorite females, for favorite males go here. Without anything else to go over, here is the list:
25-11
25. Averey Tressler(RW Portland) and Kina Dean(RR X-Treme)
24. Natalie Negrotti(Big Brother 18)
23. Jodi Weatherton(RR X-Treme)
22. Kam Williams(AYTO 5)
21. Rachel Robinson(RR Campus Crawl)
20. Katie Cooley(RR The Quest)
19. Heather Cooke(RW Las Vegas 2)
18. Veronica Portillo(RR Semester at Sea)
17. Mattie Breaux(Party Down South)
16. KellyAnne Judd(RW Sydney)
15. Tori Deal(AYTO 4)
14. Georgia Harrison(Love Island)
13. Paula Meronek(RW Key West)
12. Theresa Gonzalez(Fresh Meat II)
11. Da’Vonne Rogers(Big Brother 17)
10. Cara Maria Sorbello(Fresh Meat II)
Last Year Ranking: #3(Down 7 Spots)
Peak: #2
Debut Season: Fresh Meat II
Latest Season: War of the Worlds
Number of Seasons: 13
Oh how the mighty fall, two years ago she was #2 and now I am surprised she made it to #10. Obviously a lot of people still have love for Cara even if she has annoyed them these last couple seasons but more and more people turn on her each season it seems despite making the last four finals in a row. She has said she wants to be done with her drama on her next season, let’s see if she holds true to that or she might fall even farther down.
9. Diem Brown(Fresh Meat)
Last Year Ranking: #10(Up 1 Spot)
Peak: #6
Debut Season: Fresh Meat
Last Season: Battle of the Exes II
Number of Seasons: 8
Diem’s battle with cancer was well documented on the show and her positive outlook throughout even to her final episode has place in many people’s hearts. She showed many that no matter what you’re facing you can still do the incredible. She was defined by her heart and fun loving personality which she kept to the end. While she is sadly no longer with us she will be hold a place in the hearts of many Challenge fans. RIP Diem.
8. Amanda Garcia(AYTO 3)
Last Year Ranking: #11(Up 3 Spots)
Peak: #8
Debut Season: Rivals 3
Latest Season: War of the Worlds
Number of Seasons: 5
After the hate she received on her previous seasons, especially Final Reckoning, I would have never expected Amanda to break the top 10. Amanda has been viewed as villain for most if not all her seasons but on WotW whether it was a good edit or sympathy due to the unaired tape gate and the her controversial elimination loss she finally grew on people and gained a number of fans throughout. Will they continue to support her in the future and keep her in the top 10 or will she fall back out of it? Time will tell.
7. Jenna Compono(RW Ex-Plosion)
Last Year Ranking: #5(Down 2 Spots)
Peak: #5
Debut Season: Battle of the Exes 2
Latest Season: War of the Worlds
Number of Seasons: 7
The Challenge’s sweetheart, while some find her boring her niceness has obviously endeared her to many fans. While she hasn’t made a final since going to one in each of her first three seasons she has proven herself to be one of the easiest people to root for due to her before mentioned niceness and sincerity. She hasn’t performed her best the last two seasons but that obviously hasn’t stopped her from remaining in the Top 10 females.
6. Sarah Patterson(née Rice)(RW Brooklyn)
Last Year Ranking: #6(No Change)
Peak: #5
Debut Season: The Ruins
Latest Season: Rivals III
Number of Seasons: 9
One of the most enthusiastic people to ever be on the show, never showing anxiety in competing on any challenge. She has had her fair share of bad luck from being on the terrible Challengers team on her debut season to having two partners that left early on her to Johnny taking the money from her Rivals 3. She has yet to come back since but like Derrick she hosts her own podcast in the Brain Candy Podcast with fellow Challenge alum Susie.
5. Coral Smith(RW Back to New York)
Last Year Ranking: #7(Up 2 Spots)
Peak: #5
Debut Season: Battle of the Seasons(2002)
Latest Season: The Gauntlet III
Number of Seasons: 6
Whether it’s more older fans joining the sub or more people discovering Coral has gone up every list since the start. She is one of the most iconic and quotable challengers so it makes sense she would be the old school challenger who would crack the Top 5. While she hasn’t been on the show in over a decade she definitely remains one of the most memorable challengers of all time.
4. Nany González(RW Las Vegas 2)
Last Year Ranking: #8(Up 4 Spots)
Peak: #4
Debut Season: Battle of the Seasons(2012)
Latest Season: War of the Worlds
Number of Seasons: 7
Much like Wes Nany hasn’t been on since Rivals 3 and much like Wes she got a bump in the rankings afterwards as well. Before War of the Worlds she wasn’t even on a spinoff season and seemed to be done with show but now after WotW she seems fully back on board. We will have to see if she continue to entertain old fans and gain new ones now that she’s back on the show or if the novelty of her return runs out.
3. Emily Schromm(RW DC)
Last Year Ranking: #2(Down 1 Spot)
Peak: #2
Debut Season: Cutthroat
Latest Season: Rivals II/Champs vs Star 1
Number of Seasons: 3
Emily has proven to be one of the most physical beasts in the history of the show, making it to the final on all three of her seasons and winning one while boasting an incredible 5-0 record to go along with it. Outside appearing on the Champs vs Stars spinoff for a season she has stepped out of the Challenge world to focus on her fitness career which she has seen success in. While many are disappointed she hasn’t done another season yet others will remember her as one of the GOAT females of the show.
2. Laurel Stucky(Fresh Meat II)
Last Year Ranking: #4(Up 2 Spots)
Peak: #2
Debut Season: Fresh Meat II
Latest Season: Invasion of the Champions/Vendettas(as a mercenary)
Number of Seasons: 5
One of the most dominant challengers in history Laurel will always have fans in the form of people who care more about competition. While her personality can turn off some there are obviously fans who love her bitchiness and intense competitiveness. We have yet to see her come back on a full season after suffering her first elimination loss on Invasion but when she does come back you’ll know she’s out for blood and will want to make a big return.
1. Evelyn Smith(Fresh Meat)
Last Year Ranking: #1(No Change)
Peak: #1
Debut Season: Fresh Meat
Latest Season: Rivals
Number of Seasons: 7
Usually regarded as the female GOAT of the show due to her well rounded abilities and female record 3 wins Evelyn stays atop the rankings for females after a close race with Laurel. Despite not being in nearly a decade Evelyn’s competitiveness and unique personality continue to impress fans of the show. Due to her not using any social media there remains more mystery to her than many other challengers which can also help her from falling in these rankings. Whatever it is that keeps Evelyn on the top it’s obviously but we’ll see if she can hold on next year.
That’s the list, leave your thoughts below if you want and make sure to check the male list linked above.
Edit: Fixed the numbers for 25-11
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2019.06.08 01:28 JuanRiveara Favorite Male Challengers According to the Sub(2019 Edition)

Last week I posted this thread asking for the members of the sub to rank your Top 5 favorite males and females. This list is for the favorite males, for favorite females go here. Without anything else to go over, here is the list:
25-11
25. Zach Nichols(RW San Diego 2)
24. Devin Walker(AYTO 3)
23. Hunter Barfield(AYTO 3)
22. Theo Campbell(Love Island)
21. Alton Williams(RW Las Vegas)
20. Timmy Beggy(RR 2nd Adventure)
19. Paulie Calafiore(Big Brother 18)
18. Nelson Thomas(AYTO 3)
17. Cohutta Grindstaff(RW Sydney)
16. Tony Raines(RW Skeletons)
15. Joss Mooney(Ex on the Beach UK)
14. Stephen Bear(Ex on the Beach UK)
13. Evan Starkman(Fresh Meat)
12. Kenny Santucci(Fresh Meat)
11. Leroy Garrett(RW Las Vegas 2)
10. Kyle Christie(Geordie Shore)
Last Year Rank: Debut
Peak: #10
Debut Season: Vendettas
Latest Season: War of the Worlds
Number of Seasons: 3
One of two new people in the Top 10 Kyle debuted on Vendettas where he finished 3rd overall and 2nd for the guys. He also started his showmance with Cara Maria that we all know how it turned out by now. Whatever you personally think of the drama between him, Cara, and Paulie many have seen Kyle come out of it as the good guy and to go along with he also showed a lot of heart and fire this last season which. Obviously this was enough to earn him the respect of fans and a spot in the Top 10.
9. Darrell Taylor(RR Campus Crawl)
Last Year Rank: #4(Down 5 Spots)
Peak: #4
Debut Season: The Gauntlet
Latest Season: Dirty 30/Vendettas(as a Mercenary)
Number of Seasons: 8
One of all the all time winningest Challengers Darrell started off his Challenge career with four straight wins and boasts an impressive 5-2-1 elimination record. The last time we saw Darrell was as a mercenary on Vendettas where he and Nelson were apart of the first elimination tie in Challenge history. Before that he suffered a loss to Tony in a Redemption challenge costing him a chance to earn his fifth win. Darrell has not been on a full season since but I’m sure many fans are hoping for him to return and reclaim his Challenge crown.
8. Johnny "Bananas" Devenanzio(RW Key West)
Last Year Rank: #8(No Change)
Peak: #8
Debut Season: The Duel
Latest Season: War of the Worlds
Number of Seasons: 18
Hate him or love him you can’t deny the impact Johnny has had on the show. The all-time winningest Challenge and the one with the most appearances it can be hard to imagine the show without him though with his early exit on WotW we did get to have taste of what it might look like. Johnny’s performances have been lackluster since his win with Sarah on Rivals 3. Not counting redemption eliminations he is now tied with Danny for most consecutive elimination defeats. Is there really a curse on him or have people finally decided to stop being his pawns? We will have to see if the next time he is on if he can earn back the title of Challenge Champ or if he’ll continue to come up short.
7. Jordan Wiseley(RW Portland)
Last Year Ranking: #10(Up 3 Spots)
Peak: #7
Debut Season: Rivals 2
Latest Season: Dirty 30/Vendettas(as a Mercenary)
Number of Seasons: 4
With only one and half hands Jordan has done more than most will do in their Challenge careers. He has won the last two seasons he was on and went to a final in his rookie season. Many want to see him come back to improve his legacy after a dominating Dirty 30 finals performance. If he comes back will he live up to expectations or would a return prove to be lackluster? Time can only tell.
6. Abram Boise(RR South Pacific)
Last Year Ranking: #6(No Change)
Peak: #6
Debut Season: The Gauntlet
Latest Season: Battle of the Bloodlines
Number of Seasons: 9
The second and last of Cara Maria’s exes in the Top 10 Abram endeared himself to fans with his crazy personality. While it can be too much for some people his passion and energy has proven to be enough to find himself in the hearts of many Challenge fans. Since his last season and break up with Cara he has seemed to be in a good place in his life and has found a new girl he is now married to so congratulations on Abram all around.
5. Turabi "Turbo" Çamkıran(Survivor Turkey)
Last Year Ranking: Debut
Peak: #5
Debut Season: War of the Worlds
Latest Season: War of the Worlds
Number of Seasons: 1
The highest debut in Top 10, latest person in the Top 10 to join the Challenge family, and the highest ranking foreigner Turbo did the impossible last season where he won on his rookie season, a feat no rookie has done in a season with individual winners(or winner in Turbo’s case). Whether it’s his passion for competition, his good hearted nature, or just his accent it’s hard not to love Turbo. I definitely see him rising up the rankings if he continues to be on.
4. Derrick Kosinski(RR X-Treme)
Last Year Ranking: #5(Up 1 Spot)
Peak: #4
Debut Season: Battle of the Sexes 2
Latest Season: Dirty 30/Vendettas(as a Mercenary)
Number of Seasons: 10
Derrick started off his Challenge career as the lovable underdog but evolved into one of the all-time winningest Challengers with three wins under his belt. The highest ranking Road Ruler on the list Derrick was a mainstay on the show from his first appearance on Sexes 2 to Cutthroat. His last full season was his comeback season on Dirty 30 in which he performed great all season but came up short in the final finishing second to Jordan. We did however see him as a mercenary on Vendettas winning his epic elimination vs Joss. While he has yet to be back since he is still a big part of the Challenge world hosting the podcast Challenge Mania with Scott Yager. While that might be enough to sustain some fans of his I’m sure many are waiting for the day where Scott opens a show saying Derrick will be away for a couple months.
3. Landon Lueck(RW Philadelphia)
Last Year Ranking: #3(No Change)
Peak: #3
Debut Season: The Inferno II
Latest Season: Fresh Meat II
Number of Seasons: 4
Often thought of as the GOAT of the show Landon started out great winning his first two seasons on Inferno 2 and Gauntlet 2. While he was great on those seasons his legend truly starts on Duel 2 where he dominated a pretty good male cast on pretty much all the challenges. While a disappointing elimination loss to Brad cost him that season he returned for another go on Fresh Meat 2. While Kenny and Laurel dominated the season Landon managed to make it to the final and literally pushed his partner to a win on his final season to date. Landon‘s competitive spirit mixed with his friendly personality created a challenger who is easy to love and pretty much impossible to hate making him a Top 3 challenger for many fans.
2. Chris "CT" Tamburello(RW Paris)
Last Year Ranking: #1(Down 1 Spot)
Peak: #1
Debut Season: The Inferno
Latest Season: War of the Worlds
Number of Seasons: 15
CT was a dominant #1 these last two rankings but after lackluster showing on WotW he has finally been taken down from that spot. CT is the person we’ve seen grow the most on the show, from almost killing someone on Duel 2 to now being a father and one of the most chill people show, it has been amazing to see his evolution. While he only has two wins to show for himself CT has without a doubt been one of the most dominant performers in Challenge history, even with his dad bod he won Invasion and dominated Dirty 30 up until the final. His early exit on WotW has hopefully motivated him into getting into better shape but even if it didn’t he’s sure to be a joy on the next season he is on.
1. Wes Bergmann(RW Austin)
Last Year Ranking: #2(Up 1 Spot)
Peak: #1
Debut Season: Fresh Meat
Latest Season: War of the Worlds
Number of Seasons: 11
Wes finally returned to the show for the first time since Rivals 3 and with his strong performance he was able to bump himself into the top spot. While his appearances on the Champs vs seasons were great it was even better to get him on the real thing. With Johnny out this early Wes became the narrator on the season and while he only got third he seemed to win the battle for camera time. From being on one of the most popular Real World seasons to being the elimination king to just being one of the most entertaining members on the cast there’s no shortage of reasons to love and all of those added up to him claiming the top spot this year.
That’s the list, leave your thoughts below if you want and make sure to check the female list linked above.
Edit: Fixed the numbers for 25-11
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2019.04.02 22:19 ChorChor9399 Total Drama What If #2: Paintball Deer Hunter

Here we are with my second what if: What if Cody was never mauled by a bear? Not gonna go as in depth for episodes that turn out the same.

Paintball Deer Hunter
Immunity: Killer Bass
Eliminated: Heather
Literally the only reason they didn't boot Heather was because of the fact Cody got mauled and would be a huge liability. No bear, no injured Cody, bye Heather! Already a major change going forward.

If You Can't Take the Heat
Immunity: Killer Bass
Eliminated: Beth
I think the Gophers still would've lost without Heather's horrible leadership. Why? The tiki from Boney Island and Owen eating all the ribs. Bad luck for the team, elimination is very predictable.

Who Can You Trust?
Immunity: Screaming Gophers
Eliminated: Sadie
Not much changes, DJ still takes off his blindfold. While it could be debatable who won the first challenge, Gwen was in the lead before Heather would've ripped her skirt. Sadie still gets the boot.

Basic Straining
Immunity: Screaming Gophers
Eliminated: Courtney
Not much of a difference.

X-Treme Torture
Immunity: Screaming Gophers
Eliminated: Harold
The first two challenges go normally, Trent gets injured and Leshawna stays on the bull the longest. Then comes the final challenge. Cody wouldn't try to screw Harold out of getting points, but I think he would still end up crashing the jet ski. Duncan would wipe out to stop Lindsay from collecting all the flags, but just like the original, she does. In the end, Harold still gets booted because despite Duncan failing to stop Lindsay from winning the challenge, he's one of the team's strongest players and probably wouldn't get the boot.

Brunch of Disgustingness
Winners: Boys
Not really much of a difference, only difference is that Cody is around instead of Heather.

MERGE
Eva and Izzy come back
Remaining Contestants: Owen, Gwen, Duncan, Leshawna, Geoff, Izzy, DJ, Lindsay, Bridgette, Trent, Eva, Cody

No Pain, No Game
Immunity: Leshawna
Eliminated: Eva
Not much of a change.

Search and Do Not Destroy
Immunity: Cody
Eliminated: Izzy
Cody got Heather's key, since she was eliminated in his episode. Trent never kisses Heather. Just like the Eva What if, the only contestant they really have a reason to boot is Izzy, since she's crazy and unpredictable.

Hide and Be Sneaky
Immunity: Leshawna, Possibly Lindsay?
Eliminated: Bridgette
The Guys' Alliance is never formed because the girls are outnumbered. Leshawna's immunity is obvious, and without Heather around, I don't know if Lindsay would've found Owen and DJ, who would've been found by Chef later on. Bridgette still gets the boot because she was sprayed by a skunk. I know, stupid reason, but while there still are potential threats in the competition in the form of Duncan and Gwent, no one would want to deal with Bridgette stinking up camp. Don't worry, there WILL be a what if where Bridgette isn't screwed over in this challenge.

That's Off the Chain!
Immunity: Lindsay
Eliminated: Owen
Yes, I know this is the second time Owen has been screwed over in this specific challenge. Without Heather around, Lindsay isn't screwed over, and her bike wins the race (Cody would probably be riding it in this version). Honestly, I see Lindsay being the only one who makes it across the finish line. Like last time, because Lindsay was the only one to finish the race and both the first and last to cross the finish line, last place is judged by the first to wipe out: Owen.

Hook, Line, and Screamer
Immunity: Gwen
Eliminated: DJ
While Heather isn't around, I still see DJ panicking at someone or something that's not Chef. I like DJ, don't get me wrong, and there will probably be a What If where he doesn't get eliminated here.
Final 7: Gwen, Duncan, Leshawna, Geoff, Lindsay, Trent, Cody

Wawanakwa Gone Wild!
Winner: Gwen
Eliminated: Duncan
Why Duncan? He's pretty much the strongest player left. Gwen, Leshawna, Trent, and Cody would probably end up voting together, and there's not as much reason to vote for Geoff or Lindsay. The Killer Bass are wiped out.

Trial by Tri-Armed Triathlon
Immunity: Leshawna and Trent
Eliminated: Lindsay
Cody and Lindsay are paired up, (Heather and Owen were eliminated in their elimination episodes), and Leshawna's with Trent. I see Leshawna and Trent winning the first and third challenges. The first challenge was originally dominated by Heather and Owen, and Geoff kept talking about the food. I think Leshawna and Trent would beat Cody and Lindsay. Second challenge goes the same, with Gwen and Geoff winning, and Leshawna and Trent win the third one, since Lindsay would probably have trouble with the elimination order and Gwen and Geoff were confused about Katie and Sadie. Gwen refuses to vote off Geoff, and Cody's loyal and an extra vote to Gwen, Trent, and Leshawna, leaving Lindsay to be booted.

Haute Camp-ture
Eliminated: Leshawna
Same as the original, Leshawna gets booted by accident.

Camp Castaways
Eliminated: N/A

Are We There Yeti?
Immunity: Gwen and Cody
Eliminated: Trent
Gwen and Trent would NOT be on the same team. I put Gwen and Cody together, since Heather was eliminated in his episode. I honestly think these two would dominate the challenge, since Gwen and Heather did really well in the original and Trent would potentially try to throw the challenge. Not to mention, personally, I feel like Cody would a better partner in this challenge than Geoff, who kind of screwed around a bit in Tri-Armed Triathlon in the original. Trent gets booted so a couple doesn't end up in the final three.

I Triple Dog Dare You!
Eliminated: Geoff
Honestly, I see this being a really fair challenge at first, since all of the antagonists have been eliminated. The reason I would say Geoff loses is because I think Cody would end up handling the dares better than people would expect. Also, strategically, Gwen's best shot at winning is keeping Cody in the competition, since Geoff is a stronger player and Cody's loyalty could prove useful in the finale. If Gwen gets desperate, she'll convince Cody to help her get to the final two.

The Very Last Episode, Really!
Gwen VS Cody
Honestly, I see it going both ways. Cody may be helpful at first, but later on, it's every camper for themselves. Gwen can definitely win against Cody, but at the same time, Cody could be full of surprises. Maybe in Cody's ending, he wins by dumb luck?

Finally done with this one. Either tomorrow or Thursday, I'll do a double What If post, since the next two are pretty short. What if the girls voted together in Hide and be Sneaky? What if the elimination in Hook, Line, and Screamer was a vote?

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2019.03.30 20:40 Flatscreengamer14 Total Drama what if Lindsay went home before Noah

So first off credit to u/ChorChor939 for the idea. I thought it would be interesting and I would give my own opinion on an episode.
Not Quite Famous
Winners: Killer Bass
Eliminated: Justin
While Heather was cutting it close with Justin, she could convince someone else to vote off Justin. She probably would be able to get Beth to steal Gwen's diary causing tension earlier.

The Sucky Outdoors
Winners: Screaming Gophers
Eliminated: Katie

The events in this were specific enough that Noah would not play a big enough role to change result.

Phobia Factor
Winners: Screaming Gophers
Eliminated: Tyler

Same as the last episode.

Up the Creek
Winners: Killer Bass
Eliminated: Izzy
Same as last two

Paintball Deer Hunter
Winners: Killer Bass
Eliminated: Cody

Similar to the original. Beth stands up to Heather and Cody gets severely injured. Lindsay just won't be the caught in the crossfire. Cody still follows Beth, takes the chips, and gets mauled.

If you Can't Take the Heat
Winner: Killer Bass
Eliminated: Beth
Gophers are superstitious. Heather finds away to get other people to vote off Beth like Owen and or Trent, probably Noah.

Who can you Trust
Winners: Screaming Gophers
Eliminated: Sadie
I don't think Trent or Noah would be poisoned and Heather won't be stung by Jellyfish. That being said the DJ story will lead to the Bass losing. But DJ is likeable and Sadie would still go down.

Basic Straining
Winners: Gophers
Eliminated: Courtney

Same as the original episode

X-Treme Torture
Winners: Killer Bass
Eliminated: Noah

Noah would not keep up with Duncan and would wipe out as bad as Harold if not worse.

Brunch of Disgustingness:
Winners: Boys
Same as in our timeline

No Pain, No Game
Eliminated: Eva
Same as original. Eva has too much of a target on her back.

Search and Do Not Destroy
Immunity: Heather
Eliminated: Duncan

With no Beth or Lindsay, Trent can't be framed. However Heather still gets immunity. Heather votes for Trent and gets Izzy too. Gwen, Leshawna, Trent, Bridgette and Harold go for Duncan. DJ, Geoff, Duncan vote Harold. Duncan is out quicker because he alienated Bridgette and she could convince Gwen and Leshawna since Heather is immune. Gwen convinces Trent, and Harold needs no convincing.

People left: Owen, Gwen, Heather, Trent, Leshawna, Geoff, Izzy, DJ, Harold, and Bridgette

Hide and Be Sneaky
Immunity: Leshawna and Heather
Eliminated: Izzy

With Duncan gone, there is no guys alliance. Geoff and DJ would never vote Bridgette. They would probably vote for Harold. Harold would vote Geoff or Dj. Geoff is my guess. Gwen, Trent, Leshawna vote Izzy. Izzy would vote off Gwen along with Heather. While Izzy isn't a blind follower, Heather is able to convince her to vote Gwen. She also would probably try to convince Owen to also vote Gwen. Final two is Izzy and Gwen. My guess is Izzy would probably be out here.
That's Off the Chain!
Immunity: Heather
Elimination:

Heather wins because plot armor. She might convince Harold to join her, because of what he did. I know u/ChorChor939 said Harold wouldn't build Heather's Bike but I could absolutely see him doing this especially if you saw the TV special and the beginning of Action. Leshawna, Gwen, DJ, Geoff, wipe out. Owen and Harold wipe out and Heather and Bridgette cross but since Bridgette would be "last", so Bridgette is out.

Hook, Line, and Screamer
Winner: Gwen
Eliminated: DJ

Same as normal but without Duncan, and Izzy.

Final 7: Owen, Gwen, Trent, Leshawna, Geoff, Harold

Wawanakwa Gone Wild!
Winner: Gwen
Eliminated: Heather
Heather would not be able to get the bear although she would not be mauled or tranquilized. She can't save herself as everyone else but Owen and Harold vote her off.

Trial by Tri-Armed Triathlon
Immunity: Harold and Leshawna
Eliminated: Geoff

Harold is partnered with and confesses his love for Leshawna. Trent and Owen are partnered and Gwen and Geoff are partnered together. With Harold immune and Heather out, Geoff gets the boot. Gwen votes Owen. Geoff idk who he would vote honestly. Harold votes Geoff, as does Owen, Leshawna, and Trent. My guess is Geoff and Gwen vote Owen off. 4-2, Geoff is out.

Haute Camp-ture/After the Dock of Shame
Eliminated: Leshawna
The same thing happens like the original. Everyone votes for Leshawna by pure accident.

Final 4: Owen, Gwen, Harold, and Trent

Camp Castaways
Eliminated: N/A
No elimination again

Are We There Yeti?
Immunity: Harold and Trent
Eliminated: Trent
Gwen and Trent wouldn't be paired, Owen costs his team the challenge for stick buns although the teams are closer than the original because of no Heather. Chef chose Duncan in our timeline so Trent isn't really safe. IDK why, Chef would probably just break up Gwen and Trent

I Triple Dog Dare You!
Eliminated: Gwen
Owen is a powerhouse, Gwen and Harold could go either way but my guess is Gwen is out. No Heather means no Owen Gwen team up.

Finale is Owen vs Harold, where Gwen wins, Harold wins, other than that, Owen wins.


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2019.01.06 01:16 Windowsboy2018 The History of the cancelled and upcoming sonic movie

Out of all the video games that got movies....sonic took The longest to make, that's right paramount pictures sonic film and Sony's sonic film isn't the first time Sega tried to bring the blue blue to the big screen, in fact plans for the sonic movie began when the super Mario bros movie was being maid...also sonic has The most cancelled video game films out of all the video game movies, so everyone set back grab some chili dogs a drink and onion rings as I explained The History of the cancelled sonic films...trust me this is gonna be a long one....a very very long one
Sega and Mgm’s Sonic the Hedgehog: Wonders of the World: METRO-GOLDWYN-MAYER In the early 90s, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer got the rights to do a Sonic the Hedgehog film, because SEGA wanted something to advertise the new Sega Saturn they were releasing, the company wanting the movie to come out in either late 1994 or early 1995.
Josh, a 12-year old son of a divorced couple, is presenting his incomplete school paper about a historic event he was tasked to write about. The unamused teacher warns Josh to finish his paper by tomorrow or face being referred to by his parents. After school, Josh goes home to an apartment owned by his father, Hal, an unemployed computer scientist who is doing research for his grand invention, a supercomputer called the XRI (eXtremely Radical Intelligence) that possesses artificial intelligence with the ability to project virtual reality. After dinner, Hal leaves to gather research on a piece of hardware, leaving Josh with the XRI. A curious Josh encounters the XRI and, after being unable to get it to help finish his school work, hooks up his Sega Saturn to play Sonic X-treme.[1]
At that moment, Sonic, the game's main character, discovers he has a will of his own and stops responding to Josh's controls. Josh manages to hack into the computer to bring Sonic out of the video game, becoming a 3D character capable of interacting with reality. Josh and Sonic form a bond with each other, but Sonic's departure from Sonic X-treme causes him to lose his power as time goes on and he ends up causing trouble throughout the real world, destroying Josh's apartment and causing car wrecks throughout the city. Meanwhile, Dr. Eggman (identified in the treatment through his real name, Dr. Robotnik) and his minions inadvertently escape the game and look to take over the real world, and Sonic is unable to stop him due to his draining powers.[1]
When Hal comes home to see his apartment in ruins, Josh's mother, Lisa, also stops by and the two start to argue. Josh attempts to explain what happened but neither believe him, with both blaming him for the mess. Josh is then taken out of Hal's custody to Lisa's home, where Sonic tracks him down. After leaving the house without Lisa noticing, Josh and Sonic devise a plot to find out about and stop Eggman's scheme by searching for Chaos Emeralds, which are scattered across the real world encased in ordinary rocks. After finding a Chaos Emerald, Sonic uses its power to temporarily regain his strength, and Sonic gives Josh a taste of the power of the emerald to help finish his school work, though Sonic warns Josh not to further exploit the emerald's power until he can master it. At the same time, Dr. Eggman sets up a shell corporation called Shady Corporation and uses it to purchase the abandoned Ramshackle Amusement Park, renaming it Botnikland Amusement Park. He recruits a group of school bullies and roboticizes them into Bullibots. Eggman orders the bots to look around the park and find the remaining Chaos Emeralds.[1]
Eggman then runs into Hal, who reluctantly accepts Eggman's offer to be the park's main research and development designer. Using Hal's XRI technology, Eggman develops a virtual reality ride to draw kids to the newly revived theme park. The park opens to huge crowds, with kids all across town attending opening day. However, when Josh and Sonic manage to inspect the ride, they discover Eggman is using the ride to turn the kids into his Badniks, calling them Kinder-Bots and forcing them to look around the park to find the Chaos Emeralds. After further inspection, the duo discover that Eggman, using the Chaos Emeralds, will program the XRI to turn the world's natural landmarks, such as Mount Everest and the Amazon rainforest, into digital replicas so that he can make virtual reality experiences and profit off of people wanting to see them, so that they wouldn't have to visit the landmarks themselves. The BulliBots catch the duo and a chase ensues, ending with a weak Sonic being captured and Josh barely escaping.[1]
After the chase, the Kinder-Bots return home, being unconditionally obedient to their parents. Josh hatches a plan to return everything back to normal and return Dr. Eggman back into the game world. The climax has Josh rescue Sonic and the duo battle Dr. Eggman before Josh activates the XRI and causes himself, Sonic, Dr. Eggman and the Badniks to enter Sonic X-treme. Another battle ensues, with a newly rejuvenated Sonic eventually defeating Dr. Eggman with Josh's help. With Eggman's plans foiled, he vows to return and escapes. Sonic decides to stay in his world knowing that it needs him to stop Eggman's schemes, and bids Josh farewell before the latter returns home and reunites with Hal and Lisa. The film ends with Josh promising Hal to remove the XRI, until he sees Sonic's eye wink at him at the screen and starts playing Sonic X-treme again.
Early stages Sega first came up with the idea of a feature-length Sonic the Hedgehog film during production of the cartoon in 1993. Newly-appointed consumer products director Michealene Risley, who was instrumental in green-lighting the series, was assigned to negotiate with several Hollywood producers to find support for the project. “I was basically driving the Sonic movie," Risley recalled to Kotaku in 2018. "I don’t know who came up with the idea – whether it was Tom [Kalinske, Sega of America CEO] or Shinobu [Toyoda, Sega executive vice-president and COO] or me, or we talked about it as a group – but having come from the movie world, I was always pushing those things."[1] Tom Kalinske, however, was hesitant on the idea of a movie, recalling how 1987's Masters of the Universe damaged the namesake toy-line and how the critical and commercial failures of Super Mario Bros. and Street Fighter stained the reputation of their namesake video game franchises. Kalinske noted to Kotaku that "There is really is that fear that a bad movie could potentially hurt your brand. The Sonic brand was strong enough to probably withstand it, but there is that fear."[1] Despite Kalinske's concerns, Sega was highly enthusiastic about the project, according to Risley. "It all depends on the timing of the movie, the look of the movie, whether you go live action or animation. [The film failing] was never an issue for us."[1] After about a year of negotiations, Sega struck a development deal in August 1994 with MGM and Trilogy Entertainment Group, led by producer Pen Densham, with Densham serving as executive producer of the planned movie.[1]
After securing the deal, Sega and MGM tapped Richard Jefferies to help come up with a screenplay for the film. Jefferies had previously written the cult classic The Vagrant for MGM in 1992, and had worked with Risley during her time at Marvel Comics to help write a proposed film adaptation of the Silver Surfer character. According to Jefferies, Sega wanted the ill-fated Sonic X-treme game, which was in development for the then-unreleased Sega Saturn, to tie-in with the movie, adding that Sega was "trying to co-ordinate the two and make the two compatible."[1] Sonic would have also been portrayed through heavy use of computer-generated imagery.[1] Jefferies' treatment contains a number of references to the franchise's games, with a notable example being Josh's school assignment. In it, he writes about a World War II test pilot named Sonic, who was killed in a freak accident when he tried to break the sound barrier.[1] This is a reference to the technical files of the first game that provided Sonic the Hedgehog's original backstory.
Jefferies' treatment was submitted to MGM in May 1995.[1] According to Jeffries, the draft received a positive reception among Sega and MGM executives, but Shinobu Toyoda sent a letter to Kalinske suggesting that Doctor Eggman be removed from the script, favoring a "strong/mean villain" to give the series a fresh idea.[1]
Cancellation Before the project could be green-lit, MGM suddenly backed out of the development deal, and after an attempt to revive the film at DreamWorks went nowhere, the film was scrapped.[1] It is unclear why MGM chose to drop the film from their slate, though Pen Densham claimed the deal broke down due to creative differences between Sega and Trilogy, causing the latter to pull out and leave MGM with the bill.[1] Jeffries, however, blamed "Hollywood politics" for the film's demise, believing that the studios each wanted a higher share of the film's profits.[1] He also suggested that the character had trouble adapting to the decline of the 16-bit console market. "The focus groups weren’t responding to the evolution of the character," Jeffries remarked, "and the heyday of the character was behind them. Maybe they were hoping a movie could help reinvigorate that. But maybe it was a response to where Sonic was headed, and maybe MGM came to that conclusion themselves. I don’t know."[1] Jeffries speculated that the film's budget would've reached around $150 million, making it MGM's most expensive film to date, and suggested that the financial concerns were another reason for MGM abandoning the film.[1]
MGM’s early ideas weren’t that bad, they were imagining a Who Framed Roger Rabbit type movie. Mixing live-action with animation..the studio executives weren’t that excited and shot down the idea, thinking it was too expensive.
They instead chose an incredibly bizarre script for the movie written by Richard Jeffries.
The script featured a 16-year old boy who suffers an accident that later gives him the ability to morph into a hedgehog, and the boy decides to use his new power for good. Since it had absolutely nothing to do with Sonic, SEGA demanded rewrites. Later Super Mario Bros. came to theaters and was a complete and utter failure. Both SEGA and MGM suddenly didn’t think video game movies were a very good idea. MGM then realized they had a new James Bond movie in the works so they ditched SEGA.
Sega and Ben Hurst Sonic Satam movie: that's right everyone's favorite sonic cartoon almost got A movie, A decade after MGM’s failed Sonic movie, one of the writers of SatAM called Ben Hurst pitched a movie acting as a continuation of the show, this time animated. But, darn Ken Penders had to get involved. He pretended to be helping Ben, and then went up to SEGA and claimed that Ben was trying to steal the Sonic franchise. This killed any attempt of Ben’s movie idea being made. Being the jerk he is, Penders then brought up his own concept for a movie to SEGA.
Sega and Ken penders Sonic Armageddon: This was the movie that Penders pitched to SEGA, the plot seemed to be much darker with Mobius being destroyed and roboticization being much more gruesome then in the cartoon. Most of the important characters are not shown and a few of them have major redesigns (the biggest being Snively, who’s now more cyborg-like). SEGA was interested, but Sonic X was airing and they didn’t think it would be worth it to have a show AND A movie out at the same time with different continuities.This went far enough to have concept art and a trailer. ..a very awful trailer-
Ken penders knuckles the echidna movie: In the early 2000s, wind was caught of lead writer Ken Penders’ alleged attempt to get an animated feature film centered around Knuckles the Echidna into development, the key studio of choice being DreamWorks SKG.
His proposals were rejected (according to Penders) not out of disinterest, but due to severe legal complications regarding the copyrights to any Sonic characters developed in connection to the license by any party, which are said to essentially render the story thus far created through the intertwining roles of Japanese and American-conceived characters and concepts entirely limited to the media in which they first appeared—in this case, the Archie comic book series. (It is believed that this same snag is the reason for Sonic’s suspiciously unnamed home planet featured in Sonic X.)
To this day, it is supposed that, due to these complications, Sonic and his friends will never grace the big screen in any form not sanctioned by Sega of Japan in whatever form they choose, and the odds that elements originating from the pages of Archie, including such central elements as the Dark Legion in this case, are extremely slim due to the same set of circumstances.In a self-published article, Penders mentioned that the film proposed would have been an animated feature, though whether the animation would have been traditional or computer-generated is unknown.
Sega and Ken penders sonic the hedgehog movie: that's right the sonic Archie comics almost got a movie, In the mist of the coming dispute between Archie and their freelancers there was some reflection by Ken Penders on his Twitter. In fact the reflection may have revealed more than reflected.He and SEGA were planning on a film project earlier in the decade that would be based on his work for Archie. The film was scheduled to be released in 2011 but one unfortunate event would prove to be the setback that resulted in the project being discontinued. Penders explains more:
Ken penders: I have documents that show SEGA & I were trying to launch a film project based on the work I did for the Archie comic series, I had meetings with them in person in Hollywood, at their offices, at several E3 shows and #comiccon .
One thing you need is someone within the company who believes in your project, and that person untimely passed away on us, I had the backing of the producedirector of the FOX animated X-MEN series, who was aiming for a 2011 release. We considered SEGA Licensing Director Robert Leffler a personal friend as well as business associate. The project was designed to establish a global Sonic continuity based on the Sat-AM and Archie series with SEGA’s blessing. The film would have defined Sonic and Sally as an official couple for the franchise.
Sega and Sony's cancelled sonic the hedgehog movie
on 3 December 2013, Sony Pictures Digital Domain Names, Inc., a division of Sony Pictures Entertainment, filed a notice of registration for three inactive websites adressed as "SonicTheHedgehog-Movie.com", "SonicTheHedgehog-Movie.net" and "SonicTheHedgehogMovie.net". The registrations were reported by The Sonic Stadium on 7 December, but neither Sony Pictures nor Sega confirmed the existence of a proposed film project at the time.[21]
On 20 March 2014, a film adaptation was first hinted when The Tracking Board released a rumor about the film, stating that it would receive a "Dark Knight treatment" and posted a writer shortlist of proposed writers involved.[22] On 10 June 2014, the official Sonic website was updated, with a locked section listing "TV and Movies."[23] Later that same day, at a private Sega/Sony Pictures press conference, The Hollywood Reporter reported the confirmation of the film, and that Sony had green-lit the project.[3]
It was revealed on 21 June 2014 that Sonic the Hedgehog and its eventual successor films will be a separate continuity from the Sonic Boom continuity.[24] On 19 November 2014, Van Robichaux stated that the film production team is "aiming for [a] PG-13 [rating]".[25]
On 31 October 2016, The Hollywood Reporter reported that Tim Miller, who had left directing Deadpool 2 due to creative differences, had been hired as executive producer for the film and that Jeff Fowler will assume directorial duties. Patrick Casey and Josh Miller are also confirmed to write the script.[4]
Van Robichaux, the former writer of the Sonic Movie, before being replaced by Patrick Casey and Josh Miller, said some more details about the production of the Sonic Movie while it was being produced by Sony Pictures.
-Jeff Fowler was attached to direct the movie as far back as when the project was still at Sony.
-The reason why Sony didn’t produce movie was because of the 2014 hack and a lot of the new executives that were brought to oversee the project didn’t like the direction the movie was taking.
-Sega and Van clashed over Dr. Robotnik’s name. Van wanted him to be named Dr. Robotnik as it would be easier for American audiences to swallow and would be “more intimidating”, but Sega wanted him to be named Eggman.
-Van clashed a lot with an unnamed Sony executive (most likely Amy Pascal)
But wait there's more....someone on Reddit i guess managed to find more leaked info about Sony's sonic movie...Now this could be fake, but seeing how the 2014 Sony hack happing it wouldn't be surprising if this is true
"It would've originally stayed more close to the games and would have been like a combination of Sonic 1 and Sonic Adventure in terms of story.
I think this leak is real considering how many early plot synopsis there were during production of the movie, and also because it talks about a casino and a lead human male and female role (the film is currently going under the name "Sonic The Hedgehog: Casino Nights" as a working title, and now we have a cop and his wife confirmed in the story).
And Also because Sony had an entirely different vision for the film than Paramount does. Sony's idea was to make a more darker origin story for the characters. Paramount seems to be wanting to make a comedy adventure family film considering it has comedic actors like Jim Carrey and Tika Sumpter involved.
When Paramount got the rights to the film they completely redid the script and the story. Here is a supposed leaked early draft of the film's plot (this includes the ending):
"Sonic (Schwartz) is a tearaway teenage rebel hedgehog living in the forest near Green Hills, Montana. He was mutated by experiments by Doctor Robotnik (Carrey), along with several other animals, who escaped years ago and now live in peace. Tails and Knuckles aren't mentioned in the script, but it can be inferred they're around.
Doctor Robotnik's experiments centered around ancient golden Incan rings, which the animals took with them when they escaped. Sonic is restless and wants to see the world. He's caught speeding in Green Hills town and arrested by the sheriff, Tom (Marsden). He quickly becomes a viral sensation online, and draws the attention of Dr. Robotnik, who comes to Green Hills to get back the rings. Despite Tom trying to protect Sonic, he's captured by Robotnik and taken to his government lab. Tom is able to break inside with the help of town locals who have befriended Sonic, and together they free him. A last stand takes place in Green Hills as Robotnik launches an assault with gadgets and robots he's created, but is foiled by traps laid by the townsfolk and Sonic. Robotnik is blown up, survives, and is then arrested for his illegal experiments becoming public. Sonic is hailed as a hero, but rather than wanting to see the world, he decides he wants to stay and protect his home, Green Hills. Ends with him running down a highway."
When someone asked if he goes fast in the film, the leaker responded this:
"He goes fast a few times, but it didn't read very exciting. It's more like zipping down highways or quickly leaving a room and popping back in with a chili dog, which happens once.
Oh, I forgot to mention there are a couple of oblique references to the game. Robotnik has divided America up into 'Zones' in a map at his lab. He actually says, "I need back up to the Green Hills Zone!" at one point. Sonic speeds past a signpost making it spin around, which I took to be a reference to the spinning signs at the end of levels."
When someone asked how close it was stay true to the games, they responded:
"The way it read, it was meant for people who remember playing Sonic years ago but not much else. The references are as general as you can get, in that there is Sonic, there are rings, 'Green Hills'. It doesn't adhere to any storyline from the games, comics or anything else.
To be honest, it felt like an Alvin and the Chipmunks or Smurfs movie.""
Sega and paramount pictures upcoming sonic the hedgehog movie
It was announced on 2 October 2017 that Viacom-owned Paramount Pictures had acquired the film rights to Sonic the Hedgehog from Sony, replacing the latter as distributor. Sony had temporally shut down production before the switch after placing it into turnaround.[6] The announcement came after co-producer Neal Moritz's Original Film banner signed a first-look production deal with Paramount the prior month, ending their previous deal with Sony, and several months after Sony's film financing partner LStar Capital ended its deal with Sony due to a string of box office failures from the studio.[26][27] Despite the change of studios, the production staff working on the film remained employed and moved to Paramount as well.[6] This is not the first time Paramount and Sega have crossed paths - from 1969 to 1983, both were subsidiaries of Gulf and Western Industries.
On 22 February 2018, an official press release was put out confirming the film's move to Paramount and a release date of 15 November 2019, a date that was first reported by The Hollywood Reporter two days prior.[28][29] Sega will have creative input into the project and will co-finance it with Paramount, who will release the film worldwide.[28]
Independent outlet Omega Underground reported on 4 March 2018 that the film's producers were circling Junkie XL to compose the film's musical score, reuniting him with Miller once again after doing the score for Deadpool. The site also reported that Paramount was aiming to begin filming at some point in July, backing up story co-writer Van Robichaux's speculation he tweeted a month prior.[30][31]
On 1 April 2018, it was announced that filming was going to start on 30 July in Vancouver, instead of Atlanta as previously reported.[32]
On 29 May 2018, it was reported that Paul Rudd was in talks for a lead role as Tom, "a cop who befriends Sonic and will likely team up to defeat Dr. Eggman". Paramount later clarified that this was not the case, but that Rudd had been considered for the role at one point. The same day it was revealed that the film will have a budget of $90 million.[33] The following day, it was announced that James Marsden had been cast in an undisclosed role,[34] later revealed to be Tom Wachowski.
On 7 June 2018, it was announced that Tika Sumpter was cast to star opposite James Marsden in an undisclosed role.[35] On 12 June 2018, it was later stated that shots of the film would be filmed at Vancouver's Highway 19 during mid-September 2018, and that the movie's current title is "SONIC".[36] Soon after, screenwriter Patrick Casey revealed that for the film, Sonic would have a design that was still him and yet a "little more realistic".[25] At Too Many Games in 2018, Johnny Gioeli stated that “Sega Has Nothing To Do With The Sonic Movie”.[37] Takashi Iizuka soon after corrected though, that he would be supervising the film.[38] Sonic the Hedgehog was originally slated for a 15 November 2018 release, but after Sony Pictures' turnaround, it is now scheduled to be released in the United States on 8 November 2019 by Paramount Pictures.[1] In an exclusive IGN interview the first official poster for the film was released on 10 December 2018, revealing its official title as Sonic the Hedgehog. Tim Miller explained Sonic's redesign:
"That was always Stage 1 of adapting it to what the real world is and what a real animal would be like, it would be weird and it would feel like he was running around nude if he was some sort of otter-like thing. It was always, for us, fur, and we never considered anything different. It’s part of what integrates him into the real world and makes him a real creature. <...> I don’t think SEGA was entirely happy with the eye decision, but these sorts of things you go, ‘It’s going to look weird if we don’t do this.’ But everything is a discussion, and that’s kind of the goal, which is to only change what’s necessary and stay true to the rest of it."[2] Filming
Principal photography commenced on 30 July 2018 at Vancouver, British Columbia, and continued until 30 September 2018. During filming, the picture was shot under the working title "Casino Night", a reference to the level in Sonic the Hedgehog 2.[39] A casting call was ordered to run on 18 Aug 2018, 12:00 pm - 6:00 pm PT and 19 Aug 2018, 10:00 am - 2:00 pm PT for residents of Ladysmith, BC. The roles were for the "townsfolk" from the fictional town, Green Hills.[40] Filming ended on 16 October 2018.[41] Despite this, more filming took place in downtown San Fransisco in late October.[42]
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2019.01.06 00:55 Windowsboy2018 The History of The Cancelled Sonic The Hedgehog Movies

Out of all the video games that got movies....sonic took The longest to make, that's right paramount pictures sonic film and Sony's sonic film isn't the first time Sega tried to bring the blue blue to the big screen, in fact plans for the sonic movie began when the super Mario bros movie was being maid...also sonic has The most cancelled video game films out of all the video game movies, so everyone set back grab some chili dogs a drink and onion rings as I explained The History of the cancelled sonic films...trust me this is gonna be a long one....a very very long one
Sega and Mgm’s Sonic the Hedgehog: Wonders of the World: METRO-GOLDWYN-MAYER In the early 90s, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer got the rights to do a Sonic the Hedgehog film, because SEGA wanted something to advertise the new Sega Saturn they were releasing, the company wanting the movie to come out in either late 1994 or early 1995.
Josh, a 12-year old son of a divorced couple, is presenting his incomplete school paper about a historic event he was tasked to write about. The unamused teacher warns Josh to finish his paper by tomorrow or face being referred to by his parents. After school, Josh goes home to an apartment owned by his father, Hal, an unemployed computer scientist who is doing research for his grand invention, a supercomputer called the XRI (eXtremely Radical Intelligence) that possesses artificial intelligence with the ability to project virtual reality. After dinner, Hal leaves to gather research on a piece of hardware, leaving Josh with the XRI. A curious Josh encounters the XRI and, after being unable to get it to help finish his school work, hooks up his Sega Saturn to play Sonic X-treme.[1]
At that moment, Sonic, the game's main character, discovers he has a will of his own and stops responding to Josh's controls. Josh manages to hack into the computer to bring Sonic out of the video game, becoming a 3D character capable of interacting with reality. Josh and Sonic form a bond with each other, but Sonic's departure from Sonic X-treme causes him to lose his power as time goes on and he ends up causing trouble throughout the real world, destroying Josh's apartment and causing car wrecks throughout the city. Meanwhile, Dr. Eggman (identified in the treatment through his real name, Dr. Robotnik) and his minions inadvertently escape the game and look to take over the real world, and Sonic is unable to stop him due to his draining powers.[1]
When Hal comes home to see his apartment in ruins, Josh's mother, Lisa, also stops by and the two start to argue. Josh attempts to explain what happened but neither believe him, with both blaming him for the mess. Josh is then taken out of Hal's custody to Lisa's home, where Sonic tracks him down. After leaving the house without Lisa noticing, Josh and Sonic devise a plot to find out about and stop Eggman's scheme by searching for Chaos Emeralds, which are scattered across the real world encased in ordinary rocks. After finding a Chaos Emerald, Sonic uses its power to temporarily regain his strength, and Sonic gives Josh a taste of the power of the emerald to help finish his school work, though Sonic warns Josh not to further exploit the emerald's power until he can master it. At the same time, Dr. Eggman sets up a shell corporation called Shady Corporation and uses it to purchase the abandoned Ramshackle Amusement Park, renaming it Botnikland Amusement Park. He recruits a group of school bullies and roboticizes them into Bullibots. Eggman orders the bots to look around the park and find the remaining Chaos Emeralds.[1]
Eggman then runs into Hal, who reluctantly accepts Eggman's offer to be the park's main research and development designer. Using Hal's XRI technology, Eggman develops a virtual reality ride to draw kids to the newly revived theme park. The park opens to huge crowds, with kids all across town attending opening day. However, when Josh and Sonic manage to inspect the ride, they discover Eggman is using the ride to turn the kids into his Badniks, calling them Kinder-Bots and forcing them to look around the park to find the Chaos Emeralds. After further inspection, the duo discover that Eggman, using the Chaos Emeralds, will program the XRI to turn the world's natural landmarks, such as Mount Everest and the Amazon rainforest, into digital replicas so that he can make virtual reality experiences and profit off of people wanting to see them, so that they wouldn't have to visit the landmarks themselves. The BulliBots catch the duo and a chase ensues, ending with a weak Sonic being captured and Josh barely escaping.[1]
After the chase, the Kinder-Bots return home, being unconditionally obedient to their parents. Josh hatches a plan to return everything back to normal and return Dr. Eggman back into the game world. The climax has Josh rescue Sonic and the duo battle Dr. Eggman before Josh activates the XRI and causes himself, Sonic, Dr. Eggman and the Badniks to enter Sonic X-treme. Another battle ensues, with a newly rejuvenated Sonic eventually defeating Dr. Eggman with Josh's help. With Eggman's plans foiled, he vows to return and escapes. Sonic decides to stay in his world knowing that it needs him to stop Eggman's schemes, and bids Josh farewell before the latter returns home and reunites with Hal and Lisa. The film ends with Josh promising Hal to remove the XRI, until he sees Sonic's eye wink at him at the screen and starts playing Sonic X-treme again.
Early stages Sega first came up with the idea of a feature-length Sonic the Hedgehog film during production of the cartoon in 1993. Newly-appointed consumer products director Michealene Risley, who was instrumental in green-lighting the series, was assigned to negotiate with several Hollywood producers to find support for the project. “I was basically driving the Sonic movie," Risley recalled to Kotaku in 2018. "I don’t know who came up with the idea – whether it was Tom [Kalinske, Sega of America CEO] or Shinobu [Toyoda, Sega executive vice-president and COO] or me, or we talked about it as a group – but having come from the movie world, I was always pushing those things."[1] Tom Kalinske, however, was hesitant on the idea of a movie, recalling how 1987's Masters of the Universe damaged the namesake toy-line and how the critical and commercial failures of Super Mario Bros. and Street Fighter stained the reputation of their namesake video game franchises. Kalinske noted to Kotaku that "There is really is that fear that a bad movie could potentially hurt your brand. The Sonic brand was strong enough to probably withstand it, but there is that fear."[1] Despite Kalinske's concerns, Sega was highly enthusiastic about the project, according to Risley. "It all depends on the timing of the movie, the look of the movie, whether you go live action or animation. [The film failing] was never an issue for us."[1] After about a year of negotiations, Sega struck a development deal in August 1994 with MGM and Trilogy Entertainment Group, led by producer Pen Densham, with Densham serving as executive producer of the planned movie.[1]
After securing the deal, Sega and MGM tapped Richard Jefferies to help come up with a screenplay for the film. Jefferies had previously written the cult classic The Vagrant for MGM in 1992, and had worked with Risley during her time at Marvel Comics to help write a proposed film adaptation of the Silver Surfer character. According to Jefferies, Sega wanted the ill-fated Sonic X-treme game, which was in development for the then-unreleased Sega Saturn, to tie-in with the movie, adding that Sega was "trying to co-ordinate the two and make the two compatible."[1] Sonic would have also been portrayed through heavy use of computer-generated imagery.[1] Jefferies' treatment contains a number of references to the franchise's games, with a notable example being Josh's school assignment. In it, he writes about a World War II test pilot named Sonic, who was killed in a freak accident when he tried to break the sound barrier.[1] This is a reference to the technical files of the first game that provided Sonic the Hedgehog's original backstory.
Jefferies' treatment was submitted to MGM in May 1995.[1] According to Jeffries, the draft received a positive reception among Sega and MGM executives, but Shinobu Toyoda sent a letter to Kalinske suggesting that Doctor Eggman be removed from the script, favoring a "strong/mean villain" to give the series a fresh idea.[1]
Cancellation Before the project could be green-lit, MGM suddenly backed out of the development deal, and after an attempt to revive the film at DreamWorks went nowhere, the film was scrapped.[1] It is unclear why MGM chose to drop the film from their slate, though Pen Densham claimed the deal broke down due to creative differences between Sega and Trilogy, causing the latter to pull out and leave MGM with the bill.[1] Jeffries, however, blamed "Hollywood politics" for the film's demise, believing that the studios each wanted a higher share of the film's profits.[1] He also suggested that the character had trouble adapting to the decline of the 16-bit console market. "The focus groups weren’t responding to the evolution of the character," Jeffries remarked, "and the heyday of the character was behind them. Maybe they were hoping a movie could help reinvigorate that. But maybe it was a response to where Sonic was headed, and maybe MGM came to that conclusion themselves. I don’t know."[1] Jeffries speculated that the film's budget would've reached around $150 million, making it MGM's most expensive film to date, and suggested that the financial concerns were another reason for MGM abandoning the film.[1]
MGM’s early ideas weren’t that bad, they were imagining a Who Framed Roger Rabbit type movie. Mixing live-action with animation..the studio executives weren’t that excited and shot down the idea, thinking it was too expensive.
They instead chose an incredibly bizarre script for the movie written by Richard Jeffries.
The script featured a 16-year old boy who suffers an accident that later gives him the ability to morph into a hedgehog, and the boy decides to use his new power for good. Since it had absolutely nothing to do with Sonic, SEGA demanded rewrites. Later Super Mario Bros. came to theaters and was a complete and utter failure. Both SEGA and MGM suddenly didn’t think video game movies were a very good idea. MGM then realized they had a new James Bond movie in the works so they ditched SEGA.
Sega and Ben Hurst Sonic Satam movie: that's right everyone's favorite sonic cartoon almost got A movie, A decade after MGM’s failed Sonic movie, one of the writers of SatAM called Ben Hurst pitched a movie acting as a continuation of the show, this time animated. But, darn Ken Penders had to get involved. He pretended to be helping Ben, and then went up to SEGA and claimed that Ben was trying to steal the Sonic franchise. This killed any attempt of Ben’s movie idea being made. Being the jerk he is, Penders then brought up his own concept for a movie to SEGA.
Sega and Ken penders Sonic Armageddon: This was the movie that Penders pitched to SEGA, the plot seemed to be much darker with Mobius being destroyed and roboticization being much more gruesome then in the cartoon. Most of the important characters are not shown and a few of them have major redesigns (the biggest being Snively, who’s now more cyborg-like). SEGA was interested, but Sonic X was airing and they didn’t think it would be worth it to have a show AND A movie out at the same time with different continuities.This went far enough to have concept art and a trailer. ..a very awful trailer-
Ken penders knuckles the echidna movie: In the early 2000s, wind was caught of lead writer Ken Penders’ alleged attempt to get an animated feature film centered around Knuckles the Echidna into development, the key studio of choice being DreamWorks SKG.
His proposals were rejected (according to Penders) not out of disinterest, but due to severe legal complications regarding the copyrights to any Sonic characters developed in connection to the license by any party, which are said to essentially render the story thus far created through the intertwining roles of Japanese and American-conceived characters and concepts entirely limited to the media in which they first appeared—in this case, the Archie comic book series. (It is believed that this same snag is the reason for Sonic’s suspiciously unnamed home planet featured in Sonic X.)
To this day, it is supposed that, due to these complications, Sonic and his friends will never grace the big screen in any form not sanctioned by Sega of Japan in whatever form they choose, and the odds that elements originating from the pages of Archie, including such central elements as the Dark Legion in this case, are extremely slim due to the same set of circumstances.In a self-published article, Penders mentioned that the film proposed would have been an animated feature, though whether the animation would have been traditional or computer-generated is unknown.
Sega and Ken penders sonic the hedgehog movie: that's right the sonic Archie comics almost got a movie, In the mist of the coming dispute between Archie and their freelancers there was some reflection by Ken Penders on his Twitter. In fact the reflection may have revealed more than reflected.He and SEGA were planning on a film project earlier in the decade that would be based on his work for Archie. The film was scheduled to be released in 2011 but one unfortunate event would prove to be the setback that resulted in the project being discontinued. Penders explains more:
Ken penders: I have documents that show SEGA & I were trying to launch a film project based on the work I did for the Archie comic series, I had meetings with them in person in Hollywood, at their offices, at several E3 shows and #comiccon .
One thing you need is someone within the company who believes in your project, and that person untimely passed away on us, I had the backing of the producedirector of the FOX animated X-MEN series, who was aiming for a 2011 release. We considered SEGA Licensing Director Robert Leffler a personal friend as well as business associate. The project was designed to establish a global Sonic continuity based on the Sat-AM and Archie series with SEGA’s blessing. The film would have defined Sonic and Sally as an official couple for the franchise.
Sega and Sony's cancelled sonic the hedgehog movie
on 3 December 2013, Sony Pictures Digital Domain Names, Inc., a division of Sony Pictures Entertainment, filed a notice of registration for three inactive websites adressed as "SonicTheHedgehog-Movie.com", "SonicTheHedgehog-Movie.net" and "SonicTheHedgehogMovie.net". The registrations were reported by The Sonic Stadium on 7 December, but neither Sony Pictures nor Sega confirmed the existence of a proposed film project at the time.[21]
On 20 March 2014, a film adaptation was first hinted when The Tracking Board released a rumor about the film, stating that it would receive a "Dark Knight treatment" and posted a writer shortlist of proposed writers involved.[22] On 10 June 2014, the official Sonic website was updated, with a locked section listing "TV and Movies."[23] Later that same day, at a private Sega/Sony Pictures press conference, The Hollywood Reporter reported the confirmation of the film, and that Sony had green-lit the project.[3]
It was revealed on 21 June 2014 that Sonic the Hedgehog and its eventual successor films will be a separate continuity from the Sonic Boom continuity.[24] On 19 November 2014, Van Robichaux stated that the film production team is "aiming for [a] PG-13 [rating]".[25]
On 31 October 2016, The Hollywood Reporter reported that Tim Miller, who had left directing Deadpool 2 due to creative differences, had been hired as executive producer for the film and that Jeff Fowler will assume directorial duties. Patrick Casey and Josh Miller are also confirmed to write the script.[4]
Van Robichaux, the former writer of the Sonic Movie, before being replaced by Patrick Casey and Josh Miller, said some more details about the production of the Sonic Movie while it was being produced by Sony Pictures.
-Jeff Fowler was attached to direct the movie as far back as when the project was still at Sony.
-The reason why Sony didn’t produce movie was because of the 2014 hack and a lot of the new executives that were brought to oversee the project didn’t like the direction the movie was taking.
-Sega and Van clashed over Dr. Robotnik’s name. Van wanted him to be named Dr. Robotnik as it would be easier for American audiences to swallow and would be “more intimidating”, but Sega wanted him to be named Eggman.
-Van clashed a lot with an unnamed Sony executive (most likely Amy Pascal)
But wait there's more....someone on Reddit i guess managed to find more leaked about Sony's sonic movie...Now this could be fake, but seeing how the 2014 Sony hack happing it wouldn't be surprseing if this is realif
"It would've originally stayed more close to the games and would have been like a combination of Sonic 1 and Sonic Adventure in terms of story.
I think this leak is real considering how many early plot synopsis there were during production of the movie, and also because it talks about a casino and a lead human male and female role (the film is currently going under the name "Sonic The Hedgehog: Casino Nights" as a working title, and now we have a cop and his wife confirmed in the story).
And Also because Sony had an entirely different vision for the film than Paramount does. Sony's idea was to make a more darker origin story for the characters. Paramount seems to be wanting to make a comedy adventure family film considering it has comedic actors like Jim Carrey and Tika Sumpter involved.
When Paramount got the rights to the film they completely redid the script and the story. Here is a supposed leaked early draft of the film's plot (this includes the ending):
"Sonic (Schwartz) is a tearaway teenage rebel hedgehog living in the forest near Green Hills, Montana. He was mutated by experiments by Doctor Robotnik (Carrey), along with several other animals, who escaped years ago and now live in peace. Tails and Knuckles aren't mentioned in the script, but it can be inferred they're around.
Doctor Robotnik's experiments centered around ancient golden Incan rings, which the animals took with them when they escaped. Sonic is restless and wants to see the world. He's caught speeding in Green Hills town and arrested by the sheriff, Tom (Marsden). He quickly becomes a viral sensation online, and draws the attention of Dr. Robotnik, who comes to Green Hills to get back the rings. Despite Tom trying to protect Sonic, he's captured by Robotnik and taken to his government lab. Tom is able to break inside with the help of town locals who have befriended Sonic, and together they free him. A last stand takes place in Green Hills as Robotnik launches an assault with gadgets and robots he's created, but is foiled by traps laid by the townsfolk and Sonic. Robotnik is blown up, survives, and is then arrested for his illegal experiments becoming public. Sonic is hailed as a hero, but rather than wanting to see the world, he decides he wants to stay and protect his home, Green Hills. Ends with him running down a highway."
When someone asked if he goes fast in the film, the leaker responded this:
"He goes fast a few times, but it didn't read very exciting. It's more like zipping down highways or quickly leaving a room and popping back in with a chili dog, which happens once.
Oh, I forgot to mention there are a couple of oblique references to the game. Robotnik has divided America up into 'Zones' in a map at his lab. He actually says, "I need back up to the Green Hills Zone!" at one point. Sonic speeds past a signpost making it spin around, which I took to be a reference to the spinning signs at the end of levels."
When someone asked how close it was stay true to the games, they responded:
"The way it read, it was meant for people who remember playing Sonic years ago but not much else. The references are as general as you can get, in that there is Sonic, there are rings, 'Green Hills'. It doesn't adhere to any storyline from the games, comics or anything else.
To be honest, it felt like an Alvin and the Chipmunks or Smurfs movie.""
Sega and paramount pictures upcoming sonic the hedgehog movie
It was announced on 2 October 2017 that Viacom-owned Paramount Pictures had acquired the film rights to Sonic the Hedgehog from Sony, replacing the latter as distributor. Sony had temporally shut down production before the switch after placing it into turnaround.[6] The announcement came after co-producer Neal Moritz's Original Film banner signed a first-look production deal with Paramount the prior month, ending their previous deal with Sony, and several months after Sony's film financing partner LStar Capital ended its deal with Sony due to a string of box office failures from the studio.[26][27] Despite the change of studios, the production staff working on the film remained employed and moved to Paramount as well.[6] This is not the first time Paramount and Sega have crossed paths - from 1969 to 1983, both were subsidiaries of Gulf and Western Industries.
On 22 February 2018, an official press release was put out confirming the film's move to Paramount and a release date of 15 November 2019, a date that was first reported by The Hollywood Reporter two days prior.[28][29] Sega will have creative input into the project and will co-finance it with Paramount, who will release the film worldwide.[28]
Independent outlet Omega Underground reported on 4 March 2018 that the film's producers were circling Junkie XL to compose the film's musical score, reuniting him with Miller once again after doing the score for Deadpool. The site also reported that Paramount was aiming to begin filming at some point in July, backing up story co-writer Van Robichaux's speculation he tweeted a month prior.[30][31]
On 1 April 2018, it was announced that filming was going to start on 30 July in Vancouver, instead of Atlanta as previously reported.[32]
On 29 May 2018, it was reported that Paul Rudd was in talks for a lead role as Tom, "a cop who befriends Sonic and will likely team up to defeat Dr. Eggman". Paramount later clarified that this was not the case, but that Rudd had been considered for the role at one point. The same day it was revealed that the film will have a budget of $90 million.[33] The following day, it was announced that James Marsden had been cast in an undisclosed role,[34] later revealed to be Tom Wachowski.
On 7 June 2018, it was announced that Tika Sumpter was cast to star opposite James Marsden in an undisclosed role.[35] On 12 June 2018, it was later stated that shots of the film would be filmed at Vancouver's Highway 19 during mid-September 2018, and that the movie's current title is "SONIC".[36] Soon after, screenwriter Patrick Casey revealed that for the film, Sonic would have a design that was still him and yet a "little more realistic".[25] At Too Many Games in 2018, Johnny Gioeli stated that “Sega Has Nothing To Do With The Sonic Movie”.[37] Takashi Iizuka soon after corrected though, that he would be supervising the film.[38] Sonic the Hedgehog was originally slated for a 15 November 2018 release, but after Sony Pictures' turnaround, it is now scheduled to be released in the United States on 8 November 2019 by Paramount Pictures.[1] In an exclusive IGN interview the first official poster for the film was released on 10 December 2018, revealing its official title as Sonic the Hedgehog. Tim Miller explained Sonic's redesign:
"That was always Stage 1 of adapting it to what the real world is and what a real animal would be like, it would be weird and it would feel like he was running around nude if he was some sort of otter-like thing. It was always, for us, fur, and we never considered anything different. It’s part of what integrates him into the real world and makes him a real creature. <...> I don’t think SEGA was entirely happy with the eye decision, but these sorts of things you go, ‘It’s going to look weird if we don’t do this.’ But everything is a discussion, and that’s kind of the goal, which is to only change what’s necessary and stay true to the rest of it."[2] Filming
Principal photography commenced on 30 July 2018 at Vancouver, British Columbia, and continued until 30 September 2018. During filming, the picture was shot under the working title "Casino Night", a reference to the level in Sonic the Hedgehog 2.[39] A casting call was ordered to run on 18 Aug 2018, 12:00 pm - 6:00 pm PT and 19 Aug 2018, 10:00 am - 2:00 pm PT for residents of Ladysmith, BC. The roles were for the "townsfolk" from the fictional town, Green Hills.[40] Filming ended on 16 October 2018.[41] Despite this, more filming took place in downtown San Fransisco in late October.[42]
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2018.11.09 15:21 sw04ca X-Men Character Discussion #3 - The White Queen/Emma Frost

I decided to select Emma for our third discussion thread as there seems to be a bit of controversy about her right now, so I figured let's get it all out here. Emma has always been one of the more interesting characters in the X-Men world. Even in her early appearances, she wasn't just a villain who was into lingerie, but the chief recruiter and headmistress of an evil school for mutants that sought to indoctrinate their charges under the control of the Hellfire Club. Even though she could be an absolute monster, Claremont and his collaborators kept her true to that role, eventually filling the Massachusetts Academy with a pack of Hellions to rival the New Mutants, and giving her an interesting relationship with Kitty Pryde and the young former Avenger Angelica Jones, aka Firestar. She did a lot of villain things both grand (capturing the X-Men, mind-controlling her students) and petty (killing Angelica's beloved horse Butter Rum). The big watershed moment for Emma was when a time-traveling mutant murdered all her Hellions and tried to murder her as well. Although she was rescued, she spent a fair bit of time in a coma. When she woke up, she was genuinely distraught about her students, and ended up joining Xavier's school as the new headmistress, at the side of Sean Cassidy, Banshee. However, Emma hadn't gone soft. She was still all hard edges and attitude on the surface, even if she cared for her kids. They also began Emma's first comic book romance, although it was more like a long flirtation between her and Sean (I don't think I consider her post-coma thing with Iceman an actual romance, since she didn't really seem that into him). Emma might have struggled to deal with problem children such as the overachieving Husk, the mischievous Jubilee and M coming in with all kinds of baggage, but she was willing to kill for her kids, and she did.
As Generation X ended, she was shunted off in a helicopter somewhere, ended up on Genosha just as it was being destroyed, and ran into Morrison's X-Men run, which given that it was focusing on turning the X-Men into school teachers, was just the place for her. It was there that we learned of her new secondary mutation that made her a bit of a bruiser rather than just a pure telepath. It was there that we met her clone-daughters, the Stepford Cuckoos, who would be important and interesting in their own right. It was also there that she renewed her short rivalry with Jean Grey (they'd barely met before), and Emma's second, more enduring love story began. Unfortunately, it starts it a pretty grim place, with Emma using her status as a licensed counselor to engage in a psychic affair with her patient, at least initially to hurt Jean but probably also due to Scott's psychic catnip. That'll get your license pulled. As Morrison's run ran down and Jean died, while Storm was off leading the X-Treme team and then other pursuits (such as her unfortunate and slightly offensive marriage to T'Challa), Emma filled the vacuum as the queen of the X-Men, and she filled it in style. By the time of AvX, she was the natural second-in-command of the team, just as at home leading her own mission or supporting her partner when the big team got together.
When AvX happened and broke her powers, it put Emma in a different place. Her romance with Scott had been a huge defining feature in her character, but suddenly that was gone. The sense of superiority that her psychic powers had afforded her seemed to slip a little, and she was put off by the O5 and another Jean Grey coming to interfere in her life. So now is when the controversy begins. A lot of people look at Emma's actions after Scott's death as some kind of character assassination, and I'm not 100% sure I agree. The war against the Inhumans and then her struggling to find a new place in the world weren't the best written stuff I've ever seen, but I could accept them. I also think there was a bit of backlash from Emma's true fans in seeing her moving down in the world, from the undisputed #1 X-Woman spot she held for a decade to a a place where she's needed to make room for Kitty, for both Jean Greys and for Laura. I know a lot of people are also worried about a possible return to straight-up villainy from Emma, since she's been on the side of the X-Men for twenty-five years now. We'll have to see what the future holds. For me, I could live with Emma running a kind of a Massachusetts Academy, where she imparts the harsh lessons that the world has taught her to mutant youths to try and get them to survive. The kind of world-spanning mustache-twirling that we saw with Secret Empire and Mothervine didn't seem right, although I kind of enjoyed having her working with Havok, especially when she seemed to get her conscience back.
Here's a writeup by Zachary Jenkins
So, what do you think about Emma, her past, her future, her undeniable fashion sense (except for the Morrison-era X-boobs outfit. Ugh.)? I know a lot of people are concerned about her future, and I am too.
Edit: As per request, we're adding a link to previous threads that will be found at the bottom of these threads, for those who want to go back.
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2018.07.13 15:18 Tweakedenigma It's Indie Friday!

Disclaimer: There are companies included in the list that are not indies: AAA, CMLL, NJPW, ROH, Impact, etc. being prime examples. I chose to include these though as I felt a lot of people weren't aware of them and this might get some more eyes on them.
(Links to GWN might redirect to their splash page if you aren’t logged in)
Also please note TNA has now moved to ImpactWrestling
Now onto the Free stuff:
Shows:
MLW Fusion Episode 12: Boiler Room Brawl
ICW Fight Club #97
RISE & IMPACT Wrestling: RISE of the Knockouts
Reality of Wrestling: Episode 216
CWF Mid-Atlantic Wrestling: WorldWide #154
Championship Wrestling From Hollywood: Episode 371
Championship Wrestling from Arizona
OVW WEB 985
Battle Club Pro: Women's Wrestling 2018
WCWC Episode 214
Innovate Wrestling TV #38
Capitol Wrestling - Episode 66
BWF Telecatch #275
Crossfire Wrestling: REDEMPTION FULL CIRCLE PART 1
CCW: Superstars of the Ring
Pro Wrestling Battleground; Breakout TV ep. 228
HoB Turnbuckle TV Season 3 Episode 22
National Syndicate Wrestling: Episode 20
BCW Open Fite Night Vol. 3
Southern Legacy Wrestling: Episode #26
Discovery Wrestling: Episode 6
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2018.05.14 02:44 SolokOriginel Tournament of Power category - Units, Teams, Analysis

(check my comment first)

Introduction

Based on the final arc of Dragon Ball Super, the Universal Survival Saga Category (which I will call the Tournament of Power Category from right on, that name is way cooler) is a category which saw the Dokkan Awakening of its main leader, Jiren only recently on the Japanese version of the game, leader who is about to be released on the Global version. So seeing how it was relevant, I figured I would make a long analysis about it as I have been wanting to make a long analysis about a category for a long time.
Let's jump right into the units and teams, we will conclude later.

Relevant units :

Leader :

Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Leader Skill Passive Link
Jiren - Absolute Strength UR STR 9,590 10,780 6,606 Tournament of Power Category Ki +3, HP/ATK/DEF +150% or STR Types Ki +3 and HP/ATK/DEF +50% ATK & DEF +130% at the start of the turn. Medium chances to stun all the enemies. Guarenteed critical hit on stunned ennemies Cold Judgement, Shocking Speed, Godly Power, Infighter, Hero of Justice, Tournament of Power
The leader of the Tournament of Power team : Jiren. This unit is a very strong one, ATK & DEF +130% is the highest boost to both stat out of any untransformed unit of the whole game without anything needed, being only beaten by the two LRs released for the Dual Dokkan Fest of the 3rd anniversary of the game once they are transformed as they have a boost of 150% to ATK & DEF.
The linkset is interesting, Hero of Justice link can lead to interesting setups to use it. Godly Power makes it good to pair him up with Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-).

Tournament of Power category Subs :

Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla - Limitless Growth UR AGL 10,251 7,859 4,398 ATK +90% at the start of the turn. High chances of dodging enemy’s attacks (even Super Attacks) and medium chances of dodging enemy’s Super Attack and countering with tremendous power Battlefield Diva, Super Saiyan, Golden Warrior, Warriors of Universe 6, Prepared for Battle, Tournament of Power, Shattering the Limit
Way too much Ki links. Very big flaw. High defensive value allows her to stay in main rotation without being a liability, Super Attack countering allows her to bring bonus damage, and that first ATK boost of 90% is good. However, she has too much ki links, meaning her ATK will not get really that much high. And she doesn’t even need half of those links to work well in the team. This is still a very useful unit with farmable super attack, so you have a good chances of running her in your team.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Kale (Berserk) - Vicious Awakening UR PHY 9,692 8,791 3,513 ATK +120% at the start of the turn. Lanches an additional attack (100%) which has a great chance (70%) of becoming a Super Attack Battlefield Diva, Berserk, Golden Warrior, Warriors of Universe 6, Prepared for Battle, Tournament of Power, Shattering the Limit
This card suffers from the same issue as the previous one in worse. Her only ATK link will never be active in any of the teams we will see later on in this analysis. (such comments will be said for more units) However, her passive makes up for this as she will most likely launches two su-per attacks per turn. With Immense damage and +120% ATK, she will deal pretty big damage. She is the only real hard hitter without any kind of defensive utility that is relevant in this category. A powerful go-to unit.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Golden Freeza (Angel) - Emperor’s True Splendor UR INT 11,020 10,208 6,605 ATK +150%, DEF +50% at the start of the turn. Super class allies’ and enemies’ ATK -15% Prodigies, Universe’s Most Malevolent, Revival, Strongest Clan in Space, Brutal Beatdown, Tournament of Power, Fierce Battle
Golden Freeza (Angel) boasts an extremely high ATK boost of 150%. And while his DEF boost may look low, the unit actually ends up quite tanky. Link wise, Prodigies allows him to link with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta, and Fierce Battle allows him to link with the other big Dokkan events related cards of the category. However, his passive comes with a drawback since, while de reduces the ATK of Super Class enemies’, he also affects Super Class allies.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Dyspo (Super High Speed Mode) - Brisk Assault UR AGL 9,227 8,158 4,537 ATK +20% and +15% chances of dodging the enemies’ attacks for each passing turns (max : 60%) Signature Pose, Shocking Speed, Speedy Retribution, Infighter, Hero of Justice, Tournament of Power, Fierce Battle
An actually interesting unit. Dyspo (Super High Speed Mode) becomes stronger each turn, raising his ATK infinitely and raising his Dodge rate up to 60%. Infighter, Hero of Justice and Fierce Battle allows him to link well with the lead so a spot of floater also fits him nicely. He got defensive and offensive value. A very interesting asset to Tournament of Power teams. Not the best, but a unique card who may shine at unexpected times.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan 2 Kefla - Drawning Supernova UR PHY 8,295 8,865 4,118 Changes INT orbs to PHY orbs. ATK & DEF +12% per orbs gathered. Medium chances to dodge enemy’s attack (including Super Attacks), launches an additional attack (100%) which has a high chance (50%) of becoming a Super Attack Battlefield Diva, Super Saiyan, Power Bestowed by God, Warriors of Universe 6, Fused Fighter, Tournament of Power, Shattering the Limit
Back to units lacking in the ATK link departement, she assure the bare minimum by having the Super Saiyan link. However, Super Saiyan 2 Kefla’s passive allows her, just like Kale (Berserk) to make up for that since it will allow her to double up damage, and with an Immense modifier on Super Attack, this is extremely powerful, making her one of the best units of this category. She can also dodge the enemy’s attack, and may help any future LR that will fit the category by changing orbs. A very powerful unit.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-) - Super-Dimensional Instinct UR INT 10,335 11,654 5,890 ATK & DEF +100% at the start of the turn. Once HP is <= 50%, awakens (see below) Kamehameha, Prepared for Battle, Godly Power, Over in a Flash, The First Awakened, Tournament of Power, Fierce Battle
One of the best units of this team. Linking for 30% ATK with Jiren, the two rivals will be a popular pair. Untransformed, he have a boost of 100% to ATK & DEF, meaning he will deal high damage and take low damage. Once you get below 50% HP, he will transforms into Goku (Ultra Instinct). His ATK boost will grow bigger (150%) and he will lose his DEF boost but will have a 70% dodge rate and will also disable the enemy’s guard, meaning you will never hit with type disadvantage. One of the strongest card of Tournament of Power teams.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta - Accepted Pride UR AGL 12,320 10,052 6,150 ATK +120, DEF +60% at the start of the turn. Launches 2 additional normal attacks. DEF +7% per attack (up to 70%). Once 4 turns have passed, 30% chances to evolve Prodigies, Prepared for Battle, Super Saiyan, Warrior Gods, Royal Lineage, Tournament of Power, Fierce Battle
This powerful card will likely end up as the hardest hitting unit of any Tournament of Power team he will show up in. His passive grants him a very high ATK as well as a good DEF grows. His links allows him to link nicely with his teamates and he shares a few ATK links with them (Fierce Battle, Prodigies, and Super Saiyan). Once transformed, he will be able to build up critical hit rate (10% per attack) to hit even harder.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Toppo - Warrior of Freedom SSR STR 7,487 7,596 5,610 ATK & DEF +30% for Super class allies. Ex-treme class enemies’ DEF -50% Supreme Warrior, Shocking Speed, Signature Pose, Though as Nails, Hero of Justice, Tournament of Power
Toppo (God of Destruction) - Power Beyond Justice and Evil UR STR 7,736 7,748 5,795 ATK & DEF +35% for all allies. All enemies’ DEF -50% Supreme Warrior, Shocking Speed, Rival Duo, Though as Nails, Godly Power, Tournament of Power, Fierce Battle
It is necessary to talk about both version of Toppo. Not only because they don’t share the same name, but because they have a few differences. One have Fierce Battle and Godly Power, and the other have Hero of Justice, a ATK +25% link possessed by the lead unit Jiren, so it’s also interesting to have. Both are excellent support units.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan God Goku - Flaring Battle Impulse UR AGL 8820 8,089 5,438 ATK & DEF +80% when launching a Super Attack Super Saiyan, Shocking Speed, Over in a Flash, Kamehameha, Godly Power, Warrior Gods, Fierce Battle
The first thing you will notice is that this card lacks the Tournament of Power Ki link, which severely hurts is usuability in the team. However, he is far from bad, his linkset allows him to link for 35% ATK with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta and for 30% ATK and 3 Ki with Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-). He does link for ki with the Pride Troopers cards thanks to Shocking Speed and Fierce Battle allows him to get more ATK with them. His passive should allow him to have good damages as well as taking hits nicely.

F2P interesting subs :

Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan 2 Cabba - Connected Power and Pride UR TEQ 8,651 7,416 4,661 ATK +80% when performing a Super Attack. Critical Hit chances +7% per Tournament of Power category ally in the team (up to 49%) Super Saiyan, The Saiyan Lineage, Golden Warrior, Warriors of Universe 6, Saiyan Pride, Tournament of Power, Shattering the Limit
Powerful F2P unit. He will have his Critical hit rate maxed on most of the teams you can come up with for this category. That makes him an actually decent hard hitting unit. His links are good, even though he doesn’t need all those ki links, he actually have some ATK links, however, Saiyan Pride won’t really be activated here. Outstanding for a F2P unit.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla - Motivated for Battle SSR STR 8,035 6,879 4,384 ATK +20% (up to 80%) and chances to dodges the enemy’s attack +15% (up to 60%) per Tournament of Power units in your team Super Saiyan, Battlefield Diva, Prodigies, Warriors of Universe 6, Prepared for Battle, Tournament of Power
Considering your team composition for this category, this unit will always have +80% ATK and 60% chances to dodge any attack coming at her. This ATK boost may not look really big, but that dodge rate is a big deal, it makes her a very good defensive unit. At rainbow level, she his superior to her pullable counterpart without any dupes, so she may be your go-to Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla unit for your team if you want to use her, or if you are hesitating between the two. Good links, Prodigies and Super Saiyan allows her to link with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta pretty nicely.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan 2 Kale - Greater Mind and Body SSR INT 8,345 6,569 4,616 Tournament of Power category allies Ki +2, ATK & DEF +30% Super Saiyan, Battlefield Diva, Rival Duo, Warriors of Universe 6, Prepared for Battle, Tournament of Power
If you lack any Toppo, she will be your go-to support unit for this category. She is a very powerful support unit, no need to add more to it, ATK & DEF +30% is a big deal.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-) - New Form on the Horizon SSR PHY 6,816 7,473 3,999 ATK +80%, Tournament of Power category allies Ki +3 Saiyan Lineage, Kamehameha, Experienced Fighters, Godly Power, Prepared for Battle, Tournament of Power, First Awakened
Another good F2P unit.

STR type interesting subs :

Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan Cabba - Honest Admiration SSR STR 9,530 7,903 4,603 STR type allies ki +3. Su-per STR type allies ATK & DEF +40% Saiyan Lineage, Super Saiyan, Saiyan Warrior Race, Saiyan Pride, Prepared for Battle, Courage, Warriors of Universe 6
If you are running a Mono STR Tournament of Power team, this Super Saiyan Cabba, the Super STR support, will be a very powerful asset thanks to the high boost he provides to Super STR units. May not be the best choice for a normal Tournament of Power team but if its Super STR-based he will be the best support available.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Leader Skill Passive Link
Super Saiyan 4 Goku - Ultimate Super Saiyan UR STR 11,333 11,456 4,514 Super STR type units Ki +3, HP/ATK/DEF +120%, Extreme STR type units Ki +1, HP/ATK/DEF +50% ATK +150% at the start of the turn. 30% chances to dodge and counter enemy’s Super Attacks with tremendous power Super Saiyan, Shocking Speed, Prepared for Battle, Kamehameha, Saiyan Roar, GT, Fierce Battle
Can be used as a Super STR-based Tournament of Power category team as a significant amount of units are Super STR. He himself can fit in a Tournament of Power team as a floater if you need one last unit since the Prepared for Battle and Shocking Speed links allow him to start most of the turns at 8 ki. His crazy ATK boost should allow him to deal good damage, but the smaller boost he gets from a double Jiren lead will make him deal less damage than other hard hitters.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto - All or Nothing LR STR 13,613 14,090 8,894 ATK & DEF +80% at the start of the turn. Raises Ki depending on remaining HP (from 2 to 10, the less HP remaining the more ki) Super Saiyan, Warrior Gods, Prepared for Battle, Power Bestowed by God, Legendary Power, Fused Fighter, Shattering the Limit
LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto will bring damage thanks to his high stats as well as the numerous ATK boosts he gets. His links allows him to get ki from any Saiyan unit of the category. He may struggle getting to use his 18Ki Super Attack when you have high HP though if he is floating.
If you are lacking Jiren, he also may be one of your best option for leading a Tournament of Power team.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan Gohan (Teen) - The Spirited Golden Warrior SSR STR 9,194 7,596 4,757 Super Class allies Ki +2, ATK & DEF +25% Super Saiyan, Golden Warrior, The Saiyan Lineage, Saiyan Warrior Race, Z Fighters, Hero of Justice
Super Saiyan 3 GT Goku (Golden Great Ape) - Inklinks of Ultimate Power UR STR 9,320 8,008 4,677 All allies ATK +33%. May turn into Great Ape once during the fight Super Saiyan, Over in a Flash, Limit Breaking Form, Kamehameha, Saiyan Roar, GT, Fierce Battle
Strong support units, nothing to add.
Icon Name Rarity Type Max HP Max Atk Max Def Leader Skill Passive Skill Link Skill
Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta - Warrior’s True Value UR STR 9,695 8,556 4,417 STR type units ATK +80% Reduce received damage by 80% for 7 turns Super Saiyan, Over in a Flash, Limit Breaking Form, Saiyan Warrior Race, Golden Warrior, Fierce Battle
Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta is one of the strongest defensive units you can add to a Tourna-ment of Power team. His percent based damage reduction passive makes him an extremely powerful tank as long as it’s active. If his passive runs out though, he will be a dead weight so try to clear whenever event you are dealing with fast if you use him.

Team possibilities :

My own team :

Rotations :
This team is good at both defense and offense, a common trait in the several Tournament of Power teams. It has no real glaring flaw here and aside from Super Saiyan 2 Kale, anyone can be switched to main rotation spot without some loss in damage or defenses. Everyone on the team shares the Tournament of Power link, so the bare minimum Ki any unit will start with is 9ki. If you get the Saiyan girls together at the begining, they will max out their ki from being together. It’s advised to keep the rotations listed if you want to get some attack links to trigger as one half of the team possess Fierce Battle and this half is composed of the hardest hitting units of the team. Other shared link is Super Saiyan between the Saiyan Girls, however, trying to get that one to trigger would reduce the team’s damage.
 
The first rotation should be able to tank the best out of the two. Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-)’s ATK & DEF boost of 100% at the start of the turn while untransformed and Jiren’s boost of 130% to both stats will allow them to take minimal damage, and once you get below 50% HP, Goku (Ultra Instinct)’s dodge rate will allow you to take even less damage. Since their boosts also applies to ATK, they will also bring high damage. Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-) will profit out of fights that will take longer to clear thanks to his Kaioken effect on his Super Attack, another reason to put him in main rotation. The two strongest fighters of the Tournament of Power also share a 30% ATK from links thanks to Fierce Battle and Godly Power (ATK +15% each).
 
The second rotation uses the second Jiren linked with Golden Freeza (Angel). While the last will reduce the damage of the first, this rotation is still very powerful. The two units will both rock good defenses, allowing them to take only minimal damage like the first one. An added defensive value exists in Golden Freeza (Angel)’s Super Class restricted ATK lowering effect as it also affects the enemies fitting this criteria. However, just like Jiren’s stun effects we haven’t mentionned, a lot of bosses possess immunities to this ef-fect. This rotation’s damage should be higher than the other one due to Golden Freeza (Angel)’s massive ATK boost of 150%. The two units only share Fierce Battle together as far as ATK links goes.
 
For floaters, we first have Super Saiyan 2 Kale who is a powerful F2P Support Unit. She gives 2 Ki (meaning everyone start at 11 Ki, so everyone can trigger their super attack) as well as 30% ATK & DEF to everyone on the team (Tournament of Power category restricted), mea-ning the damage she brings will be very high. However, she’s a defensive liability, so consider maxing her Dodge in the potential system to help her with that. After that, we have Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla, who can dodge the enemy’s attacks and who have medium damage (roughly 500k), she’s outshined damage wise by the main rotation units but there is no pro-blems promoting her to Main rotation if the situation asks for it. Then we have Super Saiyan 2 Kefla, a high damage orb changing nuker. Her damage are the highest out of the floaters and you can consider running her in main rotation if you don’t like Golden Freeza (Angel) reducing the ATK of your Super type hard hitters as well as if you have more investment in her than in 10th member of the team of Universe 7.
 

Pride Troopers :

Rotations :
As said earlier, this team will be excellent at both attacking and defending. This team will not have any ki issues since all of its units possess the Tournament of Power link. This team is also better when it comes to Attack Links. Assuming you put Jiren in the middle spot on every rotations, him and his Pride Troopers fellow will start at 11 Ki while the Saiyans of Universe 7 will start at 9. It reduces the team’s flexibility as you are locked with set placements for both of your rotations. You can easily put Dyspo or any of the two Toppo in main rotation, it won’t cause big problems for ki, however, you would likely generate less damage.
 
The first rotation is the same as the previous team (you will see that one often). An additional information with this setup is that with Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-) being locked in the left slot isn’t that big of a deal, once he’s transformed, he would have gotten there most of the time due to his high dodge rate. So let’s head up straight to the second rotation.
 
The second rotation uses Jiren and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta. Both units can take hits and deal high damage. During the first few turns, Jiren’s defense will be higher than his partner’s, however, quickly enough, they should both have similar value due to having the same boost once Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta’s additional defense boost is maxed. This rotation’s damage will be higher if you are lucky enough to see Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta transforming into his Evolution form. Link wise, those two units only share the Tournament of Power link as well as the Fierce Battle link, for a total boost of 3 Ki and 15% ATK.
 
Out of the three floaters, two are Toppo. The two version of this same card are both supports. Being Super class restricted will not hinder Toppo’s supporting abilities at all since the entire team is of the Super class, and his God of Destruction form’s passive isn’t restricted at all to any class. They both boost both the ATK and DEF of their allies so they will help taking less damage and hit harder. The undokkaned version of Toppo will also trig-ger the Hero of Justice link while linked with Jiren, while his dokkaned version will help triggering the Godly Power link on the rotation where Jiren is paired with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta. The last floater is Dyspo (Super High Speed Mode) who will have decent damage and a chance to dodge the enemy’s attack, meaning he will help. He’s also mostly here to allow Jiren to trigger most of his ATK links as he shares with the strongest mortal of Universe 11 Hero of Justice, Infighter, Fierce Battle for a total boost of 50% ATK. And as said before, they share ki links to the point of starting at 11Ki when linked together before we took into account the ki Jiren gets from the links he shares with his main rotation partner.
 

F2P BTW :

Rotations :
A team using only F2P subs along the pullable lead Jiren.
 
The first rotation makes use of LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto linked with Super Saiyan 2 Cabba. Together, they link for 2 Ki and 10% Attack (which is good for this team) and they both are some of the hardest hitting units of the team so they should be dealing good amounts of damage. In this setup, LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto should be able to trigger his 18Ki Super Attack as often as in Potara, but his average ki will be lower. His defense will be lower than on most teams due to only having a +100% boost to his statistics under a double Jiren lead. It’s advised to keep him in the center if you think you can allow someone else (Super Saiyan 2 Cabba if possible) to take the hits in the left slot of your turn, like this he will be able to get more ki by activating Prepared for Battle on turns with Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-) and Super Saiyan 2 Kale.
 
For the second rotation, Jiren will be linked with Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla. They sadly link for absolutely no attack, but they still link for ki. Jiren is the best tank of the team thanks to his massive boost to ATK & DEF with his passive, however, Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla rocks a 60% Dodge rate which is very powerful. She can also get a boost to her own DEF with her super attack, meaning she will also help lowering the damage you will be inflicted. With this rotation powerful in term of damage and defenses, you should be somehow offsetting the lack of synergy. You won’t really get better by switching any of the two cards with another one. Switching out Jiren would have you missing on his massive defense and his damage and switching out Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla makes you lose on her defensive value. You could switch her with Super Saiyan 2 Cabba, evening out rotations, but switching her with a floater would lower your damage or your ki stability.
 
For floaters, Super Saiyan 2 Kale and Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-) will both give ki to the Tournament of Power units. The first one will boost their stats as well by 30% and the other will deal good damage thanks to his 80% ATK Boost. The last floater is the second Jiren. If the situation gets though, you can put him into rotation instead of LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto if you feel like you need to.
 

Super Battle Road team (u/DarkestKnight75) :

Rotations :
This team have been able to clear the Super STR Super Battle Road stage ! It made a good use of Jiren’s stun abilities and his secondary leader skill boosting any STR unit by giving them 3 Ki and a 50% Boost to their statistics. Just like for the last team, the units available for free will be considered to be rainbowed and to be running 20 in Critical Hits and 6 in Additional Attack for their Potential build, except Super Ribrianne who was build with 15 Dodges and 11 Critical Hit. This composition allows Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla to max her passive so she gets her +80% ATK boost as well as her 60% Dodge rate. This team allows Super Ribrianne to have a 30% ATK & DEF Boost since this team uses 2 units from the Peppy Gals category.
 
The first pair is once again Jiren with Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta. This rotation is very strong defensively but forces Jiren in the middle slot if he wants ki. However, since this team was used in Super Battle Road, the stun abilities of both of the units actually impact this team’s performance as Super Battle Road doesn’t have any enemies with stun immunities. Which also allowed the two Jiren to generate more damage since their guarenteed critical hit could actually be used.
 
The other rotation pairs the two strongest fighters of Universe 11 together. Jiren does his usual job of tanking and dealing massive damage, while Toppo (God of Destruction) helps him generating more damage trough links and supporting passive. Jiren still stuns here as well. If you can have Toppo (God of Destruction) to trigger his Super Attack before Jiren it will allow him to hit harder and tank more, but this team is about survivability first so don’t put yourself in a situation where you would lose.
 
The floaters all have some kind of defensive value as well. Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla with her maxed out passive will have a 60% Dodge rate, which is very high here, and her damage should also be high thanks to being rainbowed and having the maximum level in critical hits (leading to a 40% chances of critical hits). LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto being a LR, he will have higher stats than most cards, and his passive boosting his own defense (as well as the kaioken effect on his 12-17Ki Super Attack being on ATK & DEF) will allow him to have a very good DEF stat, but since he only get a 100% Boost to his stats here, his stats won’t be near as high as they would be under a double Super Saiyan 4 Goku lead or a category lead. The last floater, Super Ribrianne, helps on defenses with her build in the potential system as she has been built with max dodge. Due to the nature of Super Battle Road, this team had its rotations broken more than once. Swapping one of the Tournament of Power category units into Main Rotation isn’t a big problem, you keep the ki stability, but swapping LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto into main rotation may hurt the ki stability of the team as a whole so think it well if you are about to do this.
 

S.STToP Hybrid :

Rotations :
An hybrid team. It make uses of two Super STR staples, Super Saiyan 4 Goku and his buddy Super Saiyan 3 GT Goku (Great Ape) as well as the F2P LR card Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto who we have already used in other teams. It uses Super Saiyan Cabba, the Super STR 40% support unit who is part of the Tournament of Power category. The set up allows Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla to max out her own passive since we have 4 Tournament of Power units. As usual, the two F2P units are assumed to be rainbowed and to have their critical hit ability maxed out (Level 20 for them), with the secondary boosted ability being additional attack (Level 6 for them).
 
The first rotation uses the leader of the team, Super Saiyan 4 Goku and the friend unit Jiren. They link together for Fierce Battle and Shocking Speed, meaning they share 15% ATK as well as 2 Ki. The biggest reason they are paired together is to take advantage of their massive ATK as well as Jiren’s high DEF, they will work together as they inflict high damage. It also allows to keep the supports floating in the third slot for 2 of them (as the 3rd one is used in rotation with LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto). Super Saiyan 4 Goku will build himself a good DEF as well with his stacking DEF bonus from the super at-tacks he will launch, meaning the whole rotation is very solid in that realm. He also can, with luck, counter super attacks (30% chances). It is assumed whenever Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla or Super Saiyan 3 GT Goku (Great Ape) show up, Super Saiyan 4 Goku is put in the middle slot to optimize his damage output. When Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla shows up, it may be tempting to link her with Jiren to get more ki, however it will lead to less ATK (but it may be needed if the ki board isn’t kind to you).
 
For the second rotation, we have LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto linked with Super Saiyan Cabba. Link wise, they share together 2 ki and 10% ATK, however, having the powerful LR with a support allows him to get more Ki (and so reaching higher ki multiplier and launching more 18Ki+ Super Attacks) and more ATK. As such, they get 3 more Ki and 40% more ATK and DEF thanks to Super Saiyan Cabba’s passive. It means LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto will tank even better than he would and will hit harder. You may want the LR in the middle spot when Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla shows up to trigger the Prepared for Battle link another time for 2 more ki. With the two other floaters it won’t help at all (not even in ATK links) so you will be able to prioritize tanking attacks in the left slot which is where the majority of them take place.
 
For floaters, we have two supports. Toppo (God of Destruction) who wants to be linked with Jiren whenever he appears and Super Saiyan 3 GT Goku (Great Ape) who wants to be linked with his superior form whenever he appears. It allows both of those cards to generate more attacks from their own super attack. As said earlier, their placement when they appear with the other rotation do not matter. For Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla, the best is to link her with Super Saiyan 4 Goku or LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto depending on the rotation you are on. She is the best to break a rotation with if the situation asks it since she posses a high defensive value unlike the two other floaters since she will have her 60% dodge rate. You can also switch the friend Jiren for Super Saiyan 3 GT Goku if you feel like you need it, but his defensive value isn’t interesting and he can turns into a Great Ape, sadly.
 

Conclusion

This category shines defensively and have good damage. It also have an outstanding F2P availability and a good selection of good pullable cards. The banenrs featuring the leader also always had good sub units to go with him. This category produces teams with a high ki stability, but may be poorer on the ATK link side. But those aren’t non existant and the category have access to multiple supports units to help.
It obviously lacks a crazy card or a LR like Potara or SSJ3 teams have, and its hardest hitters aren’t the best (still has Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta). A thing to note : This category will receive new cards (LR Goku & Final Form Freeza, a card based on Full Power Jiren from the last story event), so there is a future.
It looks a lot like S.AGL in the 120% team meta, one of the best teams defensively, with some good damages but not enough to compete with the top tier teams. Still very strong and hype, it is a diverse category which for once do not make use out of the same characters as we are used to see in most teams.
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2018.04.24 01:28 SolokOriginel Kowai and Krusty about the SSB Goku/Syn Shenron glitch

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Introduction

Based on the final arc of Dragon Ball Super, the Universal Survival Saga Category (which I will call the Tournament of Power Category from right on, that name is way cooler) is a category which saw the Dokkan Awakening of its main leader, Jiren only recently on the Japanese version of the game, leader who is about to be released on the Global version. So seeing how it was relevant, I figured I would make a long analysis about it as I have been wanting to make a long analysis about a category for a long time.
Let's jump right into the units and teams, we will conclude later.

Relevant units :

Leader :

Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Leader Skill Passive Link
Jiren - Absolute Strength UR STR 9,590 10,780 6,606 Tournament of Power Category Ki +3, HP/ATK/DEF +150% or STR Types Ki +3 and HP/ATK/DEF +50% ATK & DEF +130% at the start of the turn. Medium chances to stun all the enemies. Guarenteed critical hit on stunned ennemies Cold Judgement, Shocking Speed, Godly Power, Infighter, Hero of Justice, Tournament of Power
The leader of the Tournament of Power team : Jiren. This unit is a very strong one, ATK & DEF +130% is the highest boost to both stat out of any untransformed unit of the whole game without anything needed, being only beaten by the two LRs released for the Dual Dokkan Fest of the 3rd anniversary of the game once they are transformed as they have a boost of 150% to ATK & DEF.
The linkset is interesting, Hero of Justice link can lead to interesting setups to use it. Godly Power makes it good to pair him up with Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-).

Tournament of Power category Subs :

Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla - Limitless Growth UR AGL 10,251 7,859 4,398 ATK +90% at the start of the turn. High chances of dodging enemy’s attacks (even Super Attacks) and medium chances of dodging enemy’s Super Attack and countering with tremendous power Battlefield Diva, Super Saiyan, Golden Warrior, Warriors of Universe 6, Prepared for Battle, Tournament of Power, Shattering the Limit
Way too much Ki links. Very big flaw. High defensive value allows her to stay in main rotation without being a liability, Super Attack countering allows her to bring bonus damage, and that first ATK boost of 90% is good. However, she has too much ki links, meaning her ATK will not get really that much high. And she doesn’t even need half of those links to work well in the team. This is still a very useful unit with farmable super attack, so you have a good chances of running her in your team.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Kale (Berserk) - Vicious Awakening UR PHY 9,692 8,791 3,513 ATK +120% at the start of the turn. Lanches an additional attack (100%) which has a great chance (70%) of becoming a Super Attack Battlefield Diva, Berserk, Golden Warrior, Warriors of Universe 6, Prepared for Battle, Tournament of Power, Shattering the Limit
This card suffers from the same issue as the previous one in worse. Her only ATK link will never be active in any of the teams we will see later on in this analysis. (such comments will be said for more units) However, her passive makes up for this as she will most likely launches two su-per attacks per turn. With Immense damage and +120% ATK, she will deal pretty big damage. She is the only real hard hitter without any kind of defensive utility that is relevant in this category. A powerful go-to unit.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Golden Freeza (Angel) - Emperor’s True Splendor UR INT 11,020 10,208 6,605 ATK +150%, DEF +50% at the start of the turn. Super class allies’ and enemies’ ATK -15% Prodigies, Universe’s Most Malevolent, Revival, Strongest Clan in Space, Brutal Beatdown, Tournament of Power, Fierce Battle
Golden Freeza (Angel) boasts an extremely high ATK boost of 150%. And while his DEF boost may look low, the unit actually ends up quite tanky. Link wise, Prodigies allows him to link with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta, and Fierce Battle allows him to link with the other big Dokkan events related cards of the category. However, his passive comes with a drawback since, while de reduces the ATK of Super Class enemies’, he also affects Super Class allies.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Dyspo (Super High Speed Mode) - Brisk Assault UR AGL 9,227 8,158 4,537 ATK +20% and +15% chances of dodging the enemies’ attacks for each passing turns (max : 60%) Signature Pose, Shocking Speed, Speedy Retribution, Infighter, Hero of Justice, Tournament of Power, Fierce Battle
An actually interesting unit. Dyspo (Super High Speed Mode) becomes stronger each turn, raising his ATK infinitely and raising his Dodge rate up to 60%. Infighter, Hero of Justice and Fierce Battle allows him to link well with the lead so a spot of floater also fits him nicely. He got defensive and offensive value. A very interesting asset to Tournament of Power teams. Not the best, but a unique card who may shine at unexpected times.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan 2 Kefla - Drawning Supernova UR PHY 8,295 8,865 4,118 Changes INT orbs to PHY orbs. ATK & DEF +12% per orbs gathered. Medium chances to dodge enemy’s attack (including Super Attacks), launches an additional attack (100%) which has a high chance (50%) of becoming a Super Attack Battlefield Diva, Super Saiyan, Power Bestowed by God, Warriors of Universe 6, Fused Fighter, Tournament of Power, Shattering the Limit
Back to units lacking in the ATK link departement, she assure the bare minimum by having the Super Saiyan link. However, Super Saiyan 2 Kefla’s passive allows her, just like Kale (Berserk) to make up for that since it will allow her to double up damage, and with an Immense modifier on Super Attack, this is extremely powerful, making her one of the best units of this category. She can also dodge the enemy’s attack, and may help any future LR that will fit the category by changing orbs. A very powerful unit.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-) - Super-Dimensional Instinct UR INT 10,335 11,654 5,890 ATK & DEF +100% at the start of the turn. Once HP is <= 50%, awakens (see below) Kamehameha, Prepared for Battle, Godly Power, Over in a Flash, The First Awakened, Tournament of Power, Fierce Battle
One of the best units of this team. Linking for 30% ATK with Jiren, the two rivals will be a popular pair. Untransformed, he have a boost of 100% to ATK & DEF, meaning he will deal high damage and take low damage. Once you get below 50% HP, he will transforms into Goku (Ultra Instinct). His ATK boost will grow bigger (150%) and he will lose his DEF boost but will have a 70% dodge rate and will also disable the enemy’s guard, meaning you will never hit with type disadvantage. One of the strongest card of Tournament of Power teams.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta - Accepted Pride UR AGL 12,320 10,052 6,150 ATK +120, DEF +60% at the start of the turn. Launches 2 additional normal attacks. DEF +7% per attack (up to 70%). Once 4 turns have passed, 30% chances to evolve Prodigies, Prepared for Battle, Super Saiyan, Warrior Gods, Royal Lineage, Tournament of Power, Fierce Battle
This powerful card will likely end up as the hardest hitting unit of any Tournament of Power team he will show up in. His passive grants him a very high ATK as well as a good DEF grows. His links allows him to link nicely with his teamates and he shares a few ATK links with them (Fierce Battle, Prodigies, and Super Saiyan). Once transformed, he will be able to build up critical hit rate (10% per attack) to hit even harder.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Toppo - Warrior of Freedom SSR STR 7,487 7,596 5,610 ATK & DEF +30% for Super class allies. Ex-treme class enemies’ DEF -50% Supreme Warrior, Shocking Speed, Signature Pose, Though as Nails, Hero of Justice, Tournament of Power
Toppo (God of Destruction) - Power Beyond Justice and Evil UR STR 7,736 7,748 5,795 ATK & DEF +35% for all allies. All enemies’ DEF -50% Supreme Warrior, Shocking Speed, Rival Duo, Though as Nails, Godly Power, Tournament of Power, Fierce Battle
It is necessary to talk about both version of Toppo. Not only because they don’t share the same name, but because they have a few differences. One have Fierce Battle and Godly Power, and the other have Hero of Justice, a ATK +25% link possessed by the lead unit Jiren, so it’s also interesting to have. Both are excellent support units.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan God Goku - Flaring Battle Impulse UR AGL 8820 8,089 5,438 ATK & DEF +80% when launching a Super Attack Super Saiyan, Shocking Speed, Over in a Flash, Kamehameha, Godly Power, Warrior Gods, Fierce Battle
The first thing you will notice is that this card lacks the Tournament of Power Ki link, which severely hurts is usuability in the team. However, he is far from bad, his linkset allows him to link for 35% ATK with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta and for 30% ATK and 3 Ki with Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-). He does link for ki with the Pride Troopers cards thanks to Shocking Speed and Fierce Battle allows him to get more ATK with them. His passive should allow him to have good damages as well as taking hits nicely.

F2P interesting subs :

Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan 2 Cabba - Connected Power and Pride UR TEQ 8,651 7,416 4,661 ATK +80% when performing a Super Attack. Critical Hit chances +7% per Tournament of Power category ally in the team (up to 49%) Super Saiyan, The Saiyan Lineage, Golden Warrior, Warriors of Universe 6, Saiyan Pride, Tournament of Power, Shattering the Limit
Powerful F2P unit. He will have his Critical hit rate maxed on most of the teams you can come up with for this category. That makes him an actually decent hard hitting unit. His links are good, even though he doesn’t need all those ki links, he actually have some ATK links, however, Saiyan Pride won’t really be activated here. Outstanding for a F2P unit.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla - Motivated for Battle SSR STR 8,035 6,879 4,384 ATK +20% (up to 80%) and chances to dodges the enemy’s attack +15% (up to 60%) per Tournament of Power units in your team Super Saiyan, Battlefield Diva, Prodigies, Warriors of Universe 6, Prepared for Battle, Tournament of Power
Considering your team composition for this category, this unit will always have +80% ATK and 60% chances to dodge any attack coming at her. This ATK boost may not look really big, but that dodge rate is a big deal, it makes her a very good defensive unit. At rainbow level, she his superior to her pullable counterpart without any dupes, so she may be your go-to Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla unit for your team if you want to use her, or if you are hesitating between the two. Good links, Prodigies and Super Saiyan allows her to link with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta pretty nicely.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan 2 Kale - Greater Mind and Body SSR INT 8,345 6,569 4,616 Tournament of Power category allies Ki +2, ATK & DEF +30% Super Saiyan, Battlefield Diva, Rival Duo, Warriors of Universe 6, Prepared for Battle, Tournament of Power
If you lack any Toppo, she will be your go-to support unit for this category. She is a very powerful support unit, no need to add more to it, ATK & DEF +30% is a big deal.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-) - New Form on the Horizon SSR PHY 6,816 7,473 3,999 ATK +80%, Tournament of Power category allies Ki +3 Saiyan Lineage, Kamehameha, Experienced Fighters, Godly Power, Prepared for Battle, Tournament of Power, First Awakened
Another good F2P unit.

STR type interesting subs :

Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan Cabba - Honest Admiration SSR STR 9,530 7,903 4,603 STR type allies ki +3. Su-per STR type allies ATK & DEF +40% Saiyan Lineage, Super Saiyan, Saiyan Warrior Race, Saiyan Pride, Prepared for Battle, Courage, Warriors of Universe 6
If you are running a Mono STR Tournament of Power team, this Super Saiyan Cabba, the Super STR support, will be a very powerful asset thanks to the high boost he provides to Super STR units. May not be the best choice for a normal Tournament of Power team but if its Super STR-based he will be the best support available.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Leader Skill Passive Link
Super Saiyan 4 Goku - Ultimate Super Saiyan UR STR 11,333 11,456 4,514 Super STR type units Ki +3, HP/ATK/DEF +120%, Extreme STR type units Ki +1, HP/ATK/DEF +50% ATK +150% at the start of the turn. 30% chances to dodge and counter enemy’s Super Attacks with tremendous power Super Saiyan, Shocking Speed, Prepared for Battle, Kamehameha, Saiyan Roar, GT, Fierce Battle
Can be used as a Super STR-based Tournament of Power category team as a significant amount of units are Super STR. He himself can fit in a Tournament of Power team as a floater if you need one last unit since the Prepared for Battle and Shocking Speed links allow him to start most of the turns at 8 ki. His crazy ATK boost should allow him to deal good damage, but the smaller boost he gets from a double Jiren lead will make him deal less damage than other hard hitters.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto - All or Nothing LR STR 13,613 14,090 8,894 ATK & DEF +80% at the start of the turn. Raises Ki depending on remaining HP (from 2 to 10, the less HP remaining the more ki) Super Saiyan, Warrior Gods, Prepared for Battle, Power Bestowed by God, Legendary Power, Fused Fighter, Shattering the Limit
LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto will bring damage thanks to his high stats as well as the numerous ATK boosts he gets. His links allows him to get ki from any Saiyan unit of the category. He may struggle getting to use his 18Ki Super Attack when you have high HP though if he is floating.
If you are lacking Jiren, he also may be one of your best option for leading a Tournament of Power team.
Icon Name Rarity Type HP Atk Def Passive Link
Super Saiyan Gohan (Teen) - The Spirited Golden Warrior SSR STR 9,194 7,596 4,757 Super Class allies Ki +2, ATK & DEF +25% Super Saiyan, Golden Warrior, The Saiyan Lineage, Saiyan Warrior Race, Z Fighters, Hero of Justice
Super Saiyan 3 GT Goku (Golden Great Ape) - Inklinks of Ultimate Power UR STR 9,320 8,008 4,677 All allies ATK +33%. May turn into Great Ape once during the fight Super Saiyan, Over in a Flash, Limit Breaking Form, Kamehameha, Saiyan Roar, GT, Fierce Battle
Strong support units, nothing to add.
Icon Name Rarity Type Max HP Max Atk Max Def Leader Skill Passive Skill Link Skill
Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta - Warrior’s True Value UR STR 9,695 8,556 4,417 STR type units ATK +80% Reduce received damage by 80% for 7 turns Super Saiyan, Over in a Flash, Limit Breaking Form, Saiyan Warrior Race, Golden Warrior, Fierce Battle
Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta is one of the strongest defensive units you can add to a Tourna-ment of Power team. His percent based damage reduction passive makes him an extremely powerful tank as long as it’s active. If his passive runs out though, he will be a dead weight so try to clear whenever event you are dealing with fast if you use him.

Team possibilities :

My own team :

Rotations :
This team is good at both defense and offense, a common trait in the several Tournament of Power teams. It has no real glaring flaw here and aside from Super Saiyan 2 Kale, anyone can be switched to main rotation spot without some loss in damage or defenses. Everyone on the team shares the Tournament of Power link, so the bare minimum Ki any unit will start with is 9ki. If you get the Saiyan girls together at the begining, they will max out their ki from being together. It’s advised to keep the rotations listed if you want to get some attack links to trigger as one half of the team possess Fierce Battle and this half is composed of the hardest hitting units of the team. Other shared link is Super Saiyan between the Saiyan Girls, however, trying to get that one to trigger would reduce the team’s damage.
 
The first rotation should be able to tank the best out of the two. Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-)’s ATK & DEF boost of 100% at the start of the turn while untransformed and Jiren’s boost of 130% to both stats will allow them to take minimal damage, and once you get below 50% HP, Goku (Ultra Instinct)’s dodge rate will allow you to take even less damage. Since their boosts also applies to ATK, they will also bring high damage. Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-) will profit out of fights that will take longer to clear thanks to his Kaioken effect on his Super Attack, another reason to put him in main rotation. The two strongest fighters of the Tournament of Power also share a 30% ATK from links thanks to Fierce Battle and Godly Power (ATK +15% each).
 
The second rotation uses the second Jiren linked with Golden Freeza (Angel). While the last will reduce the damage of the first, this rotation is still very powerful. The two units will both rock good defenses, allowing them to take only minimal damage like the first one. An added defensive value exists in Golden Freeza (Angel)’s Super Class restricted ATK lowering effect as it also affects the enemies fitting this criteria. However, just like Jiren’s stun effects we haven’t mentionned, a lot of bosses possess immunities to this ef-fect. This rotation’s damage should be higher than the other one due to Golden Freeza (Angel)’s massive ATK boost of 150%. The two units only share Fierce Battle together as far as ATK links goes.
 
For floaters, we first have Super Saiyan 2 Kale who is a powerful F2P Support Unit. She gives 2 Ki (meaning everyone start at 11 Ki, so everyone can trigger their super attack) as well as 30% ATK & DEF to everyone on the team (Tournament of Power category restricted), mea-ning the damage she brings will be very high. However, she’s a defensive liability, so consider maxing her Dodge in the potential system to help her with that. After that, we have Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla, who can dodge the enemy’s attacks and who have medium damage (roughly 500k), she’s outshined damage wise by the main rotation units but there is no pro-blems promoting her to Main rotation if the situation asks for it. Then we have Super Saiyan 2 Kefla, a high damage orb changing nuker. Her damage are the highest out of the floaters and you can consider running her in main rotation if you don’t like Golden Freeza (Angel) reducing the ATK of your Super type hard hitters as well as if you have more investment in her than in 10th member of the team of Universe 7.
 

Pride Troopers :

Rotations :
As said earlier, this team will be excellent at both attacking and defending. This team will not have any ki issues since all of its units possess the Tournament of Power link. This team is also better when it comes to Attack Links. Assuming you put Jiren in the middle spot on every rotations, him and his Pride Troopers fellow will start at 11 Ki while the Saiyans of Universe 7 will start at 9. It reduces the team’s flexibility as you are locked with set placements for both of your rotations. You can easily put Dyspo or any of the two Toppo in main rotation, it won’t cause big problems for ki, however, you would likely generate less damage.
 
The first rotation is the same as the previous team (you will see that one often). An additional information with this setup is that with Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-) being locked in the left slot isn’t that big of a deal, once he’s transformed, he would have gotten there most of the time due to his high dodge rate. So let’s head up straight to the second rotation.
 
The second rotation uses Jiren and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta. Both units can take hits and deal high damage. During the first few turns, Jiren’s defense will be higher than his partner’s, however, quickly enough, they should both have similar value due to having the same boost once Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta’s additional defense boost is maxed. This rotation’s damage will be higher if you are lucky enough to see Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta transforming into his Evolution form. Link wise, those two units only share the Tournament of Power link as well as the Fierce Battle link, for a total boost of 3 Ki and 15% ATK.
 
Out of the three floaters, two are Toppo. The two version of this same card are both supports. Being Super class restricted will not hinder Toppo’s supporting abilities at all since the entire team is of the Super class, and his God of Destruction form’s passive isn’t restricted at all to any class. They both boost both the ATK and DEF of their allies so they will help taking less damage and hit harder. The undokkaned version of Toppo will also trig-ger the Hero of Justice link while linked with Jiren, while his dokkaned version will help triggering the Godly Power link on the rotation where Jiren is paired with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta. The last floater is Dyspo (Super High Speed Mode) who will have decent damage and a chance to dodge the enemy’s attack, meaning he will help. He’s also mostly here to allow Jiren to trigger most of his ATK links as he shares with the strongest mortal of Universe 11 Hero of Justice, Infighter, Fierce Battle for a total boost of 50% ATK. And as said before, they share ki links to the point of starting at 11Ki when linked together before we took into account the ki Jiren gets from the links he shares with his main rotation partner.
 

F2P BTW :

Rotations :
A team using only F2P subs along the pullable lead Jiren.
 
The first rotation makes use of LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto linked with Super Saiyan 2 Cabba. Together, they link for 2 Ki and 10% Attack (which is good for this team) and they both are some of the hardest hitting units of the team so they should be dealing good amounts of damage. In this setup, LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto should be able to trigger his 18Ki Super Attack as often as in Potara, but his average ki will be lower. His defense will be lower than on most teams due to only having a +100% boost to his statistics under a double Jiren lead. It’s advised to keep him in the center if you think you can allow someone else (Super Saiyan 2 Cabba if possible) to take the hits in the left slot of your turn, like this he will be able to get more ki by activating Prepared for Battle on turns with Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-) and Super Saiyan 2 Kale.
 
For the second rotation, Jiren will be linked with Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla. They sadly link for absolutely no attack, but they still link for ki. Jiren is the best tank of the team thanks to his massive boost to ATK & DEF with his passive, however, Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla rocks a 60% Dodge rate which is very powerful. She can also get a boost to her own DEF with her super attack, meaning she will also help lowering the damage you will be inflicted. With this rotation powerful in term of damage and defenses, you should be somehow offsetting the lack of synergy. You won’t really get better by switching any of the two cards with another one. Switching out Jiren would have you missing on his massive defense and his damage and switching out Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla makes you lose on her defensive value. You could switch her with Super Saiyan 2 Cabba, evening out rotations, but switching her with a floater would lower your damage or your ki stability.
 
For floaters, Super Saiyan 2 Kale and Goku (Ultra Instinct -Sign-) will both give ki to the Tournament of Power units. The first one will boost their stats as well by 30% and the other will deal good damage thanks to his 80% ATK Boost. The last floater is the second Jiren. If the situation gets though, you can put him into rotation instead of LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto if you feel like you need to.
 

Super Battle Road team (u/DarkestKnight75) :

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This team have been able to clear the Super STR Super Battle Road stage ! It made a good use of Jiren’s stun abilities and his secondary leader skill boosting any STR unit by giving them 3 Ki and a 50% Boost to their statistics. Just like for the last team, the units available for free will be considered to be rainbowed and to be running 20 in Critical Hits and 6 in Additional Attack for their Potential build, except Super Ribrianne who was build with 15 Dodges and 11 Critical Hit. This composition allows Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla to max her passive so she gets her +80% ATK boost as well as her 60% Dodge rate. This team allows Super Ribrianne to have a 30% ATK & DEF Boost since this team uses 2 units from the Peppy Gals category.
 
The first pair is once again Jiren with Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta. This rotation is very strong defensively but forces Jiren in the middle slot if he wants ki. However, since this team was used in Super Battle Road, the stun abilities of both of the units actually impact this team’s performance as Super Battle Road doesn’t have any enemies with stun immunities. Which also allowed the two Jiren to generate more damage since their guarenteed critical hit could actually be used.
 
The other rotation pairs the two strongest fighters of Universe 11 together. Jiren does his usual job of tanking and dealing massive damage, while Toppo (God of Destruction) helps him generating more damage trough links and supporting passive. Jiren still stuns here as well. If you can have Toppo (God of Destruction) to trigger his Super Attack before Jiren it will allow him to hit harder and tank more, but this team is about survivability first so don’t put yourself in a situation where you would lose.
 
The floaters all have some kind of defensive value as well. Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla with her maxed out passive will have a 60% Dodge rate, which is very high here, and her damage should also be high thanks to being rainbowed and having the maximum level in critical hits (leading to a 40% chances of critical hits). LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto being a LR, he will have higher stats than most cards, and his passive boosting his own defense (as well as the kaioken effect on his 12-17Ki Super Attack being on ATK & DEF) will allow him to have a very good DEF stat, but since he only get a 100% Boost to his stats here, his stats won’t be near as high as they would be under a double Super Saiyan 4 Goku lead or a category lead. The last floater, Super Ribrianne, helps on defenses with her build in the potential system as she has been built with max dodge. Due to the nature of Super Battle Road, this team had its rotations broken more than once. Swapping one of the Tournament of Power category units into Main Rotation isn’t a big problem, you keep the ki stability, but swapping LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto into main rotation may hurt the ki stability of the team as a whole so think it well if you are about to do this.
 

S.STToP Hybrid :

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An hybrid team. It make uses of two Super STR staples, Super Saiyan 4 Goku and his buddy Super Saiyan 3 GT Goku (Great Ape) as well as the F2P LR card Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto who we have already used in other teams. It uses Super Saiyan Cabba, the Super STR 40% support unit who is part of the Tournament of Power category. The set up allows Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla to max out her own passive since we have 4 Tournament of Power units. As usual, the two F2P units are assumed to be rainbowed and to have their critical hit ability maxed out (Level 20 for them), with the secondary boosted ability being additional attack (Level 6 for them).
 
The first rotation uses the leader of the team, Super Saiyan 4 Goku and the friend unit Jiren. They link together for Fierce Battle and Shocking Speed, meaning they share 15% ATK as well as 2 Ki. The biggest reason they are paired together is to take advantage of their massive ATK as well as Jiren’s high DEF, they will work together as they inflict high damage. It also allows to keep the supports floating in the third slot for 2 of them (as the 3rd one is used in rotation with LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto). Super Saiyan 4 Goku will build himself a good DEF as well with his stacking DEF bonus from the super at-tacks he will launch, meaning the whole rotation is very solid in that realm. He also can, with luck, counter super attacks (30% chances). It is assumed whenever Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla or Super Saiyan 3 GT Goku (Great Ape) show up, Super Saiyan 4 Goku is put in the middle slot to optimize his damage output. When Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla shows up, it may be tempting to link her with Jiren to get more ki, however it will lead to less ATK (but it may be needed if the ki board isn’t kind to you).
 
For the second rotation, we have LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto linked with Super Saiyan Cabba. Link wise, they share together 2 ki and 10% ATK, however, having the powerful LR with a support allows him to get more Ki (and so reaching higher ki multiplier and launching more 18Ki+ Super Attacks) and more ATK. As such, they get 3 more Ki and 40% more ATK and DEF thanks to Super Saiyan Cabba’s passive. It means LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto will tank even better than he would and will hit harder. You may want the LR in the middle spot when Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla shows up to trigger the Prepared for Battle link another time for 2 more ki. With the two other floaters it won’t help at all (not even in ATK links) so you will be able to prioritize tanking attacks in the left slot which is where the majority of them take place.
 
For floaters, we have two supports. Toppo (God of Destruction) who wants to be linked with Jiren whenever he appears and Super Saiyan 3 GT Goku (Great Ape) who wants to be linked with his superior form whenever he appears. It allows both of those cards to generate more attacks from their own super attack. As said earlier, their placement when they appear with the other rotation do not matter. For Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla, the best is to link her with Super Saiyan 4 Goku or LR Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto depending on the rotation you are on. She is the best to break a rotation with if the situation asks it since she posses a high defensive value unlike the two other floaters since she will have her 60% dodge rate. You can also switch the friend Jiren for Super Saiyan 3 GT Goku if you feel like you need it, but his defensive value isn’t interesting and he can turns into a Great Ape, sadly.
 

Conclusion

This category shines defensively and have good damage. It also have an outstanding F2P availability and a good selection of good pullable cards. The banenrs featuring the leader also always had good sub units to go with him. This category produces teams with a high ki stability, but may be poorer on the ATK link side. But those aren’t non existant and the category have access to multiple supports units to help.
It obviously lacks a crazy card or a LR like Potara or SSJ3 teams have, and its hardest hitters aren’t the best (still has Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta). A thing to note : This category will receive new cards (LR Goku & Final Form Freeza, a card based on Full Power Jiren from the last story event), so there is a future.
It looks a lot like S.AGL in the 120% team meta, one of the best teams defensively, with some good damages but not enough to compete with the top tier teams. Still very strong and hype, it is a diverse category which for once do not make use out of the same characters as we are used to see in most teams.
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2018.02.24 07:12 MaxwellEdison210 SG -> ST

So, many of us already know that SG loved to make little nods towards the Star Trek franchise. I just finished S5.E12 - Wormhole X-Treme and I just caught a new reference I didn't notice before. As Tanner and his partners "beamed up" to their ship, the special effects team decided to use the old school ST transporter effect. That is to say, they used the glitter in water trick to make them sparkle as they transport away.
So, it got me to thinking: What other nods have I missed. I know I've already seen quite a few prior to this one, it's just that I only just recognized it this time. So what are your favorite subtle Star Trek references?
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